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The Fate of Islam, Part 2


>>Is it true, as even some
Christians are now claiming, that Islam is a legitimate
road to God? In other words, should Islam be considered
equally valid with Christianity? And what about
the Quran? Is it the true word of God, as Muslims claim? And
one other question: Is it possible to reach Muslims with
the Gospel, and, if so, how? Stay tuned.>>[music]>>Lamb and Lion
Ministries presents Christ in Prophecy, a program
that focuses on the fundamentals of Bible
prophecy, showing how current events in the news relate to
Biblical predictions of end time events and the soon
return of Jesus. Now, here’s your host, Dr. David Reagan.>>Greetings in the
name of Jesus, our Blessed Hope, and welcome to Christ
in Prophecy! Last week, I introduced you to
a great presentation about Islam that was made by my
colleague, Nathan Jones, at one of our recent conferences.
I showed you video clips containing what he had to say
about the growth of Islam, the goals of Islam and the fate of
Islam. If you missed that program, you can find it
posted on our website at lamblion.com, where all our
television programs can be viewed on demand free of
charge. This week, I have Nathan here in the studio with
me, and I am going to ask him a series of questions that he
discusses in his presentation, but which we did not cover
last week. Incidentally, his entire 55 minute presentation
is contained in this video album titled, “The Fate of
Islam.” We will tell you later how you can get a copy of it.
Nathan, let’s get right into this immediately. And let me
just start off by asking you a very crucial question: Is
Islam a legitimate road to God?>>Absolutely, not.
And this is the reason why. Let me read
you just a few verses about what the Bible says is the
legitimate road to God. Let’s start with John 14:6, “Jesus
answered, ‘I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, nobody
comes to the Father except by Me.'” He said again in Romans,
or Paul did in Romans 8:1, “Therefore there is now no
condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus because
through Christ Jesus, the law of the Spirit of Life set me
free from the law of sin and death.” We can go on, Romans
10:9, “That if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is
Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from
the dead you will be saved.”>>But, Nathan there is a
problem with that. From the viewpoint of the society that
we live in today you sound so intolerant.>>It does sound
intolerant. The Bible has a description of what the one
and only way to get to God is, through the Father through
Jesus Christ the Son. Believing Him as the Son of
God and the Savior of our sins. The Bible goes on
1 Timothy 2:5, “For there is one God and one Mediator between
God and the man Christ Jesus.” 1 John 5:5, “Who is it that
overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the
Son of God.” I could go on and on with verse, after verse,
after verse, but the Bible teaches that the one and only
way to get to the Father is through the Son Jesus Christ.
And Muslims, Islam does not teach that Jesus in the Son of
God, or the Christ.>>What do they teach about Jesus?>>They
don’t believe that Jesus is the Son of God but He is an
esteemed man. In other words to believe in a Trinity like
we do, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit to them is what
they call “shirk” it is idolatry. Islam believes in a
monotheism there is one God who is Allah, and his prophet
is Mohammed. So, to get to Heaven or Paradise as Muslims
calls it you have to work your way through it. There is
actually quite a series of works that you have to go
through to reach paradise.>>But, when Muslims speak to
Christians they always start out by talking about how they
believe in Jesus and trying to build some rapport with their
Christian audience. Yes, we believe in Jesus. We honor
Jesus, and so forth. But it is not the Jesus of the Bible.
>>Not at all. Not at all. It is a preconceived Jesus
without the power and divinity. Matter of fact when
Jesus died on the cross Muslims will teach that Judas
Iscariot took Jesus’ place and died on the cross, so they
deny the crucifixion of Christ, and they deny the
resurrection of Christ. So, there view of the Savior of
salvation as the Bible says the only way to get to Heaven
is through Jesus Christ, they flat out deny. And then they
offer up a works based salvation to get to Paradise.
So, they are two completely, totally different things.
Teaching two completely different truths.>>The last
time I was in Israel I noticed when we got to Nazareth and we
started up the hill there to the magnificent Church of the
Annunciation where supposedly Gabriel spoke to Mary,
traditional site. That as you started up that hill there was
a billboard that had been put up by the Muslims.>>I’ve seen
that, yeah.>>So, that every Christian pilgrim would see
it. And it said, “Anyone who says that Jesus is the Son of
God is a liar, and going to Hell.” And so forth and so on.
They just blatantly deny who He is.>>Yeah, it is right
outside the church.>>Yeah, right outside the church.
>>Right outside the church. Well, Muslims believe in a
quiet a number of works to get to Paradise. And this is what
they teach: First you have to say what is the Creed or the
Shahada which is: There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is
his prophet. That is kind of like when we go up and we do
the prayer to accept salvation. Muslims have their
own prayer. But when you look at the Shahada there is no god
by Allah, doesn’t say Jehovah or Yahweh from the Bible.
Allah who was the moon god of the Arabs of the time period.
And Mohammad is his prophet. So, they deny even Jesus’
preeminence in the Trinity. After that you have to do
prayers five times a day you have to pray as a Muslim. You
have to get on your knees and pray towards Mecca. Again a
work’s based salvation. You also have to give alms giving
which is called “zakat”; it is one-twentieth of your income
and it goes to help widows and orphans. But giving money is
required for salvation. There is fasting called “sawm” which
we of course know Ramadan the ninth month of the Islamic
calendar where they don’t eat or they abstain also from
smoking and sex and all, all day long. It is a fasting that
is a work to prove yourself worthy to Allah. They also
have the pilgrimage which is called “the hajj” it is where
you have to travel at least once in life to Mecca and go
around the Kaaba stone, and if you can’t do it then you send
somebody in your place. And then there is an unspoken work
and that is jihad, or the struggle, or to strive against
the infidel. So for Muslims it is an extremely works based
salvation, they have to do all those things.>>But my
understanding of Islam is that even if you do all of those
things you still have no assurance of salvation.
>>Absolutely. There is no eternal security.>>And no
concept that you–I mean even Mohammed said he didn’t know
if he was saved or not.>>Right. Right.>>And the only
way you can be certain that you are saved in Islam, I mean
absolutely certain is what?>>Jihad. You have to die
fighting the infidel.>>Yeah. Otherwise you just don’t know.
>>Yes.>>Well, what about the god of Islam? You know we have
very liberal Christians in America today who argue that
the god of Islam has to be the same god of Judaism, and
Christianity because we are monotheistic religions. So if
we all believe in one god, we must all believe in the same
god.>>You know I think in my experience I find that people
who say that the God of the Bible and the god of Islam,
and the gods of Hinduism and all that, really tend to not
be religious at all, they are irreligious. They assume that
they all offer some kind of truth, and therefore all
religions are going towards Heaven; even though all these
different religious teach something totally different.
For instance when it comes to Allah, Allah is a monotheism
he is a one god, there is no Holy Spirit, there is no Son.
And like I said earlier if you even suggest that that is
idolatry to a Muslim. He is also very distant and unknowable.
>>Very aloof.>>Yeah, he is aloof. He doesn’t connect with
his people whatsoever.>>He’s never mentioned in the Quran
for example as god of love.>>No, there is no love to him.
He expects obedience because between a Muslim, which means
one who submits and Allah, it’s a master-slave
relationship. There is no father-son relationship like
in Christianity whatsoever. He reveals his will but he never
reveals himself. He’s feared by his followers. And he is
also the creator of evil; he’s not all good, but he’s both
good and evil. Now, I don’t know about you but that does
not sound like the God of the Bible whatsoever.>>Not at
all. And you know when I look at liberal Christians and the
old mainline Protestant denominations I’m talking
about primarily those super liberal Christians I find that
their attitude toward Muslims is the same as their attitude
toward Jews; leave them alone, do not violate their culture
by sharing the Gospel with them because they have their
own road to God. And to me what that means is we are
going to love them right into Hell.>>Right. Right.>And
they have that same view toward the Jewish people it is
called Dual Covenant Theology; they argue that we have our
covenant, they have their covenant they can work their
way to Heaven through following the Law of Moses.
>>Well, when the greatest ethic in this day in age is
tolerance then of course that is how we end up with that.>>[music]>>Welcome back to
my discussion with my colleague, Nathan Jones about
the nature of Islam. Nathan, how about
comparing for us the fundamental beliefs of Islam
as compared with Christianity.>>Well, certainly. One of the
blessings of being Web Minister here is I get to
speak to Muslims all over the world that either want to ask
questions or debate about Islam. And when you start
quoting from the Bible the very first thing they do is,
“Well, wait a minute, the Bible is corrupted.” Now, the
Bible to them was corrupted by the Christians and the Jews.
So, what we believe today isn’t what was originally
written. And that totally goes against archaeology. For
instance the Dead Sea Scrolls which show for 2,000 years
we’ve had the same translated Bible. The fact that 86,000
references from the early Church Father’s to New
Testament verses. What is it? 5,300 New Testament
manuscripts that exist out there from the 1st and 2nd
Centuries. We have a plethora of information that proves
that the Bible is the Word of God and it hasn’t been
corrupted.>>If you know anything about how the scribes
did that. I mean they were so careful. If there was one
mistake the page was thrown away. They counted the number
of lines down, they counted the number of characters over.
It was very, very carefully done.>>It was. Now of course
another big difference between Islam and Christianity is
their belief that Allah is one, he is not a Trinity as
Christians believe.>>They think we do not believe in
monotheism.>>Oh, yeah, they think we are polytheists like
the Romans used to think of Christians. Another thing too
is their Creation story is different. They believe that
humanity was created out of a blood clot and not from the
image of God out of the dust. Another thing they teach too
is we’re in the Bible it is very clear that we are born in
sin, we have a sin nature. But they do not teach that; they
teach that man is inherently good and then strays along the
way. So, it is a totally different view of the sin
nature. They believe in salvation through works; where
we believe in salvation through–by faith through
grace–excuse me by grace through faith. Again their
view of Jesus that He was just a man who died. He plays a
role in end time eschatology, but He isn’t the Son of God,
they definitely believe that. They also have different views
about the resurrections and judgments. You’ve written
repeatedly about that. That their views of end times are
vastly different than our views.>>Yes. Well, I think
that is a good survey you just gave. And I think you could
really sum it up the way our good friend at First Baptist
Church in Dallas–>>Robert Jeffress, yeah.>>–Robert
Jeffress does it and he says, “Every other religion in the
world is spelled do D-O, only Christianity is spelled
D-O-N-E.” It is all done. It was done by Jesus on the
cross. All we’ve got to do is reach out in faith and receive
that. But every other religion you’ve got to work your way to
Heaven, and you never know whether you’ve got it or not.
>>Absolutely.>>Well, what about the Quran and the Bible,
are they kind of similar?>>They are night and day. Now,
the origin of the Quran is that Mohammad at 40 years old
being inflicted by gins or spirits went to a cave and he
was going to kill himself. He was going to commit suicide.
And that’s where he claims the angel Gabriel came onto him
and gave him these words. Now, he was illiterate; he couldn’t
write or anything. So, he would go into these caves and
he would go into these trances and he’d start automatic
writing on scraps of paper, or he’d bring men, imams with him
and they would write down what he said. And over the years it
was collected into what is called the Quran; which means
the recitation. It took 23 years to write. And it was all
the different things that he said. Now you and I have read
the Quran and it reads like the rantings of a madman.
>>Nothing compared to the Bible where you have stories.
The Bible is based on history and historical stories that
you can follow. You get the Quran and it is this, and
that, and this, and it just it is very difficult to follow.
It is like the rantings of a madman.>>Yeah, because that
is what it was, it was the rantings of a madman. It is
about as long as the New Testament so it is not as
thick as the Bible at all. It is only about as long as the
New Testament. It took many years to compile, by the 7th
Century is about when it was finally compiled. Now, Muslims
will claim that it is inerrant, that it is perfect
even though it went through–>>That is very interesting
because there is a big difference in the Quran and
the Bible in the sense of the word abrogation. In other
words Muslim scholars say that a later revelation abrogates
an earlier revelation if they conflict with each other. And
it is very difficult to know which are the early ones, and
which are the later ones when you read the Quran because
they are all mixed up. But the scholars say they know. So
when–for example Muslims come and speak to Christians they
read all the verses that were early that talked about, honor
the Christians, honor the Jews, we are people of the
book and so forth. But when they rejected the teachings of
Mohammad then he turned against them and began to say,
“Kill them.” And that abrogates the earlier. But
they don’t tell you that.>>No they don’t. Oh, look its
peaceful. Well, wait a minute no they are following the
later verses which say, “Kill all the Jews.”>>Yeah. So,
when they want to get along with you they quote the
scriptures that say we are brothers. But then later on
when they get into power, what happens? Suddenly it all the
ones about you must submit. There can be no freedom of any
other religion. And we’ll kill you if you don’t.>>Oh, right.
And Mohammad was a crook. He stole the Torah. He stole the
New Testament. He even went to Persian Zoroastrianism and
took it, and then he blended it all in.>>He stole wives.
>>He stole wives. He had 15 of them including a 9 year old
girl.>>Yeah, and one of them I think was the wife of his
son-in-law or something of that nature.>>Zaynab. Matter
of fact tired of her family getting killed she actually
poisoned Mohammad and on top of pneumonia that is what
killed him.>>Yeah. I have always found that in talking
with a Muslim one of the main things that draws them to the
truth is to talk about the love of God, and the love of
Jesus Christ.>>Absolutely.>>I remember when Mark Gabriel
I interviewed him and he said, “You know we have a story in
the Quran,” or maybe it is the Hadith, “that is exactly like
the one in the New Testament where they bring the woman
caught in adultery and Jesus says, ‘Let him who is without
sin throw the first stone,” and tells her to go and sin no
more.” He said, “No, Mohammad said, ‘Bring her back when her
baby has been weaned.’ And she brought him back. He put her
down in the ground with her head sticking out and said,
‘Now stone her to death in front of her child.'” And he
said, “We just didn’t know anything about the love of
God.” And when they experience that they move to
Christianity.>>That’s because they have to read the Quran in
Arabic.>>Yes. Yes, that’s true. Well, that is our time
in this segment. We’ll be back in just a moment with
another segment.>>[music]>>Welcome back to my
discussion about Islam with my colleague,
Nathan Jones. Nathan, is it possible to
reach Muslims with the Gospel? And if so how?
>>Oh, absolutely Dr. Reagan. That is actually how I end my
presentation, “The Fate of Islam.” Folks, this is how you
reach a Muslim for Christ.>>[music]>>Before we go on,
I have to admit one thing. And I’m going to admit it right
here, because I’m teaching you the truth about Islam and its
role in the end times, society is going to label me a hater.
To them I’m a card-carrying Islamophobe, which is a
terrible thing to be called in this PC world nowadays. But,
bear with me here, for in part they are correct. I do indeed
hate Islam. Do you know why I hate Islam? Not the people
naturally, but the system. I hate what Islam does to their
people. It enslaves over a billion people to a religion
that tells them they must kill themselves in order to be
assured of going to Heaven. I hate that Satan rules Islam,
and so far he’s gotten away with all the murders and
atrocities Islam has committed in vilifying the name of God.
I hate Islam because of all the Christians that have been
murdered in the name of Allah. How God’s magnificent and holy
name has been tarnished. This is what Islam does to a nation
it subjugates its people and it plunges the world back into
the Dark Ages. Islam has sent people to Hell by the
billions. So yes, I hate Islam because I hate Satan. But, as
you know, we Christians we’re called to hate evil and to
love good. So, it’s okay to be a hater of Islam because it
kills people, and for all of eternity. Now as terrible as
Islam is, it also presents the Church with the greatest
opportunity for evangelism in world history, if you know how
to evangelize the Muslim. One of the blessings at our
ministry is that we get to talk to people all over the
world. I have people write to me through various venues such
as email and social networks. I’ve encountered so many
Muslims seeking to understand God, or trying to convert me
to Islam which just opens the door for sharing the Gospel
with them. From these experiences, I’m going to
share with you six different ways you can reach a Muslim
for Christ. #1: The Bible is okay to read. Sura 5:46-47 and
68 says that Mohammad gave the okay, thumbs up, for Muslims
to read the Bible. If you give anyone the Word of God, and
they read it, the Holy Spirit speaks through Scriptures. As
an example of this, I’ll share the real life testimony of an
ex-Muslim girl from Iran who calls herself Fars.>>”I left
Islam for several reasons. Originally because I was sent
by my grandmother to a mullah to learn Islamic prayer. I was
taught this in Arabic, which as a Persian, I didn’t
understand one word of it. When I asked this mullah what
the heck it meant and what I was saying, he said it wasn’t
important that I know, just that I say it with all my
heart. Say what with all my heart? He then complained to
my grandmother that I was too questioning for a girl and
should be talked to. Whatever! I finally bought an English
translation of the Quran; I was appalled. No wonder the
Mullah didn’t want me to know what it all meant. When I read
some of the passages in English to my mother she was
shocked with disbelief. ‘That can’t be right!’ She couldn’t
believe it and she had been a Muslim all her life and never
knew exactly what the Quran said. She and my sister have
both also left Islam. That is the tragic legacy especially
in Iran which had Islam forced on it by Arabs. That is why
educated college students are all up in arms because they
are finally beginning to understand what Islam really
means and says.”>>Now once Fars could read the Bible in
her own language, she gave her life to Christ. So, it’s okay
for a Muslim to read the Bible, and you can tell them
that. #2: The Life of Christ. When you hold up the life of
Mohammed: a killer, a murderer, a wife stealer, a
child molester, a liar and put it up against Jesus Christ who
is sinless, and loving, and holy, and died for us the
Muslim is shocked. They can’t believe the differences. The
Jesus taught in the Quran isn’t that Jesus at all. Of
course, anyone is attracted to someone who lays their life
down for them. Tell them what Jesus did for them by dying
for their sins. The following is a real testimony of a man
from Morocco named Ibn Zakaria who learned this truth.>>”I
left Islam because I didn’t find peace with it. Since my
childhood, I had a lot of questions in my mind about
Human Rights in Islam, women rights, Eternal life and about
the life of Mohammed. I started looking for answers,
by reading the Bible and comparing the life of Mohammed
to that of the Lord Jesus Christ. I found myself far
from Islam and enlighten by the Gospel and the truth of
the Word of God.”>>#3: The love of God. God is love, but
for Muslims, they never know love from Allah whatsoever.
They see these mullahs on TV who are angry and yelling all
the time. It’s a religion of hate. A Muslim, like any
person, wants to know love, and you can reach them by
telling them about the love of God. Abdel Masih of Egypt
shared how he became saved when he encountered the love
of God.>>”I was born in Egypt to a Muslim family. I think in
looking back that maybe my family was loving because it
was liberal in its approach to Islam. It was very loving not
because of Islam, but in spite of it. When I began to study I
saw that the Quran was very filled with hate and not
enough on love. Christianity seemed so much more familiar
and the Sermon on the Mount is a teaching after my own heart.
There is nothing like it in the Islamic literature.”>>#4:
The assurance of salvation. Mounif of Morocco wrote in his
testimony about the lack of eternal security in Islam:
>>”My father was and still is an imam in a mosque. I had
many questions about my place in Paradise, but there was no
answer.”>>Muslims have no assurance of salvation except
for one thing, and that is to die a martyr. To kill infidels
by your own death is the only assurance they have of
salvation. Why do you think certain Muslims are willing to
blow themselves up in the name of Allah? Martyrdom is the
only way they be can assured of entering into Paradise.
You, instead, can assure them that through Jesus Christ, who
died once and for all for their sins, they can have the
assurance of living in Heaven forever with their loving
Father. #5: Grace. Islam is like wearing shackles to a
Muslim. They feel it. They know it. But, when you teach
them about the grace of God, that there’s nothing we can do
to be saved, that God did it all for us, and that Jesus
Christ paid for our sins on the cross, then they feel
relieved. Maybe you can look back at the time when you got
saved and you remember how it felt to have the weight of
your sins and works lifted off of you? Well, a Muslim is
looking for that weight to be lifted off of them as well.
Sinbad of India shared his experience casting off this
weight:>>”I had of course gone through the whole process
of learning about Islam and the do’s and don’ts, and had
always tried to practice it but always was struggling as
if I was forever carrying a great load on my back, as if I
was in a prison. After I left I felt as if I had just been
released from prison.”>>#6: A relationship with God.
Learning one can have a personal relationship with God
is one of the best ways to reach a Muslim for Christ.
Christians enjoy a relationship with God, and not
some distant unknowable being who could care less about them
and wants their death to prove their faith, but a Heavenly
Father who loves them and cares for them. The very Jesus
that you and I accepted. Cynthia from America shared
about coming back to such a relationship:>>”My fear of
Allah became so intense that I hoped to get cancer and
therefore be punished for my sins on earth instead of after
death. I would scrub and cleanse my body in prayer so
obsessively, that my hands became cracked and bloody.
Still, I continued to believe in a religion that on the
outside looked so moral and just. Then I did something
that I told my parents and myself I would never do. I
rented the movie “The Passion of The Christ.” I held back
tears that threatened to fall from my eyes until the short
scene in the movie when Mary Magdalene reverts back to the
day when Jesus was the only person who would accept her
and love her. I began to cry as I suddenly realized what my
mother had been trying to tell me for all those years.
Finally, I understood that God loved me and was not out to
get me or to harm me. It was at that moment that I knew
that Allah was not God. I felt the love and protection of God
all around me. I was no longer scared to live and no longer
scared to die. The world looked so beautiful and I
couldn’t stop thanking God for saving me. It has only been
two weeks since I was saved by Jesus Christ, and they have
been the happiest two weeks of my life. Every day that I wake
up I am so grateful that God never left my side during my
seven year hiatus. I feel like He was just patiently waiting
for my return. I now live my life with an inner peace and
love for God that I cannot put into words. Thank you Jesus
for never leaving me!”>>There’s a lot of fear that
Islam will soon take over the world. But, believers in
Christ can find comfort knowing that what Islam means
for evil, God is using now to produce good. And one day,
Islam will be destroyed, Muslims will put their faith
and trust in Jesus Christ by the multitudes, and all the
world will finally know Jesus during His Kingdom. Until
then, continue to be a witness, sharing the Good News
of our mighty God and Savior and His great salvation. Thank
you and God bless you!>>Thank you Nathan for a great
presentation. Folks, Nathan’s presentation about Islam needs
to be shared throughout Christendom. Please consider
getting a copy to share with your Sunday School class, your
home Bible study group or your entire church. Get a copy for
you pastor, and pray that it will help him to better
understand both the physical and spiritual dangers of
Islam. Well, that’s our program for this week, I hope
it has been a blessing to you. And, the Lord willing, I hope
you will be back with us again next week. Until then, this is
Dave Reagan speaking for Lamb & Lion Ministries, saying,
“Look up, be watchful, for our Redemption is drawing near.”>>[music]
>>Does Bible prophecy have anything to say about the
fate of Islam? Does the Bible offer us any hope? These
pointed questions and many more are answered by our
Associate Evangelist and Web Minister Nathan Jones in his
gripping teaching considering the role Islam plays in the
end times. To understand Islam’s goals and ambitions
Nathan takes the viewer into the mind of the Muslim. He
reveals they are not crazy as many Westerners think; rather
he points out the reasons behind their actions, and
explains the Quranic teachings that fuel the terrorist
attacks and rising death toll. You will be taken back in time
to the 7th Century to discover the foundations of Islam. Why
it has spread so rapidly over the centuries. And what
apocalyptic scenarios Muslims believe will prophetically
occur in the near future. As a bonus the hour long video
concludes with an explanation of six different ways you can
reach a Muslim for Jesus Christ. To place your order
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office at the number you see on the screen Monday thru
Friday, between 8 AM and 5 PM Central Time, or order on-line
at lamblion.com. Please consider sharing this vitally
relevant teaching with your pastor and Bible study.>>[music]
>>Thank you for joining us on today’s Christ in
Prophecy, a presentation of Lamb and Lion Ministries, a
non-denominational ministry dedicated to teaching the
fundamentals of biblical prophecy and proclaiming the
soon return of Jesus.

Jean Kelley

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