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Spiritual Beings and the Human Experience | Matt Townsend – Hope Works



houston we have a problem sound familiar that's the now famous phrase from the Apollo 13 crew right on their moon journey and the interesting thing was they were pretty much trying to send a signal back home that they were in some serious trouble and I wanted to get in that same spirit tonight and give you a warning humans we have a problem here on this earth and that problem is very simply our human lives are destroying our spiritual lives our human existence has the tendency to crush and to dwarf our spiritual existence and we have got to figure out how to take our lives back and put our lives in the right order and I know this personally because one time when I was an 11 year old scout I went to scout camp my first scout camp ever the biggest moment of my life it was me turning into a man it was going to be the greatest event of my life and I knew it I knew it and I went out I was so excited to see I was raised by my mom and my three sisters four women that I affectionately called my pack of women they were wonderful but one thing we didn't do is we didn't do a lot of camping so when the 11 year old Scout went out to go camping this was the rite of passage I knew manhood was soon I got out there this was the greatest moment I got to go you know eat in the woods I got to sleep in a tent they even gave us what are called Mills ready to eat MREs the military Mills right and this was back in the day now they're not now they're sealed in nice little bags but back then they were in cans because you had to open the can and you had to open the can with a special can opener and if you didn't know what you were doing you could lose a finger seriously and so we went out to kick out camp is the greatest thing in the world as I'm getting my great little mill ready to eat I opened it up and the first thing I noticed is that there were crackers in it it took me about 20 minutes to get it open by the way and a couple of cuts on my finger when I finally got it open I ate my crackers I was kind of a little worried about trying to open any more cans but there was another can they're like little tuna fish cans and this tuna fish can said the word preserves on it I had no idea what a preserve was I was an 11 year old kid for crying out loud and as I'm sitting there I didn't know what a preserve was I found out later it's Jam right so I'm sitting there we're listening to the Scoutmaster we're all sitting around this incredible fire I'd never seen a fire so big we had even done some some snipe hunting a super cool thing by the way never caught one the entire night the boy did we try and as we were doing all this fun stuff I'm sitting there with this sealed can of jam I already had my crackers didn't know what to do with it our leader was telling us about Sasquatch and how he lived in the mountains and if we hear any noises at night be careful because he could come out at any time and I'm sitting there listening and I just tossed the can of preserves in the fire had no need for it and we sat there and then and the leader kept telling more stories we got more scared and we all leaned in and we were all so excited and all of the sudden right at the moment of most fear BAM the can exploded and this eleven-year-old Scout had no idea what had happened but everyone was burning and they had read stuff all over their faces and all of the scouts were screaming my eyes my eyes I can't breathe I can't breathe and I'm sitting there thinking what's going on here and somebody's like hey it's Jam it's Jam who put the can of jam in the fire and I'm like who did act that makes me sick he's gonna blow everyone up in my head I'm like oh my word I just killed my entire trout my entire troop I went from the stud the eleven-year-old coolest guy in the world to a Jam bomber a Jam bomber and I eventually became known as the Jam bomber do you know what that does do a human my identity I'm a son of God I'm not a Jam bomber I didn't even know this could happen it ruined me I was so worried it took weeks for people that even talk to me again you're the kid that burned us yeah sorry I'm just 11 I'm not gonna real scout yet but I might be soon I thought that was the worst experience of my life I really did I thought what could be worse than being an 11 year old known as a jam bomber for crying out loud and guess what something was worse because about a year and a half two years later I was in eighth grade ready – almost graduate and go to high school and I went to a private school because my mom said I was that special and I'm gonna go and I I was really there I found out later to learn math and but as the 8th grader of this of the school I was a big deal I even had keys to the stage that's how big I was I was on stage crew and the funny thing about it it was such a neat moment they decided that he wanted to have a spelling bee and the spelling bee was going to be from eighth grade down to second grade and I'm thinking got it I'm a word guy I'm a word guy back of my head you're a jam bomber you're a jam bomber do you not remember that so I had this weird thing going on like what am I really I'm gonna ace it I'll be fine I get out there spelling bee my homeroom teacher was in charge of the spelling bee there's such a great thing I owned this moment I got up there second round I haven't even practiced these words nobody gets out in the second round right so I get out there my teacher right there she says mad I'd like you to spell the word lion like lion like lying around I go use it in a sentence she said the lion roared in the jungle I said oh lion LOI in yeah you laugh and right then I heard little second graders gasp OH and my teacher says no Matt that's loin right then second grader called me loin boy I went from Jam bomber to loin boy like that like that and luckily the principal of the school wanted a teaching moment so when she got up at the very end she said boys and girls did we not learn a really important lesson tonight we learned that we should think before we speak Thank You loin boy what's the deal so my the loin boy or the GM bomber I thought I was a human being no I might a spiritual being I hope I need to somehow get out of this we're sitting in a world where the world if you're not careful you will identify yourself as something of this world and that is not who you are I don't care who you are if you're an 11 year old boy or a 13 year old boy it doesn't matter in the end we all have problems identifying ourselves as human beings instead of spiritual beings I have clients that come and see me one of the most impressive moments of my life was a 25 year old man sitting at my desk was this head on my desk banging it gently and sobbing this man has been battling cerebral palsy his entire life and he was in the singles world and trying to date and trying to get a date and he looked at me crying and he said Matt why can't I just be normal like everybody else in this world and in my head I'm like loin boy damn bomber I had a 17 year old girl come to my office I was working with her and she ended up she had been in a car accident her face was slightly paralyzed she had some scars on her face she had lost her equilibrium she couldn't go do all the fun things she had been doing her entire life and she looked at me she said now what am I going to be I'm not an athlete I don't think I'll ever get married I don't look as pretty as I used to I've had people that are depressed and anxious that have I've worked with people with ADHD we have all of these things going on with us and we forget who we are and none of that is who we are the best example of who we are it was a great quote from a guy named telly our de chardin a Jesuit priest who said this quote and it's so important we are not human beings having a spiritual experience we are spiritual beings having a human experience you are spiritual beings having a human experience and your human experience has nothing to do with who you are you live with God he knew who you were he cares for you he loves you and he wants you to understand that and as we are dealing with the human world it beats us up the Savior himself when he came down here he understood who he was you remember he was the boy that had to teach his parents whose work he was about I'm about my father's business so sometimes I'll come home a little late it's a crazy opportunity I think for all of us to figure out how are we going to balance the spirituality that we need to try to grow into and the natural human life that we're living when the Savior came here he was the god of God's the King of Kings the Lord of lords and yet when he got here he had no place to lay his head he was the creator of all worlds and yet when he arrived he was just the son of a carpenter when he went to Gethsemane to perform one of the most important acts of all of humanity he bade three of his apostles to stay with him and watch over him and as he went in I believe terrified worried hoping he could live up to this important this important task that he had to take on his apostles they loved him fully and yet they slept they slept through the atonement because they're human and a lot of us have that battle we don't know how to get our human to focus on the spiritual so as we sit here I want us all to be very clear you are spiritual beings first and foremost you always have been you are sons and daughters of the Most High God you have always been a spiritual being your natural state is spirituality you knew the Lord you knew the father you live with them you cared with you were theirs and you weren't perfect yet you didn't have a body yet you had stuff to learn you wanted the human experience the human experience was something we all we all were excited about as we came to this earth we had always we were living in the spirit we felt peace we felt loved we felt connected accepted we felt confident with who we were and because we were close to our Father we knew exactly who we were we felt full even though we had stuff to learn we also had one of my favorite words at one month we were at one with our Father in heaven and that at one month fulfilled us and that is a pretty powerful thing then we come down to this earth and we have to battle some pretty crazy traps okay the traps I talk about are to very human traps I call it the trap of the body and the trap of the mind the human body and the human mind and every one of us is battling at every single day did you know that they say it takes about two trillion cells to create a human being two trillion so a little baby has two trillion perfect little cells I guess right if I asked you to fold laundry two trillion times what percentage of the folds do you think would be perfect how many of you even noticed because of the DNA handed down maybe by your parents that it ain't so perfect and you're wondering like what were you guys thinking I wanted more hair or I wanted less hair and I wanted to be taller and if I'm tall a better bounce a basketball in our world so we have all of these crazy things that happen to us because of these folding of the body the body creates some of your biggest problems for you doesn't it it creates your body type it creates your skin color it creates jeans it creates a lot of your diseases disorders cancers MS Alzheimer's all afflictions of the body it can also create some other interesting things addictive personalities and addictive behaviors this body creates a lot of stuff for us some of us love it so much we can't stop eating chocolate the body is not who you are because the body is nothing more than the shell to hold the spirit we have all of these emotions that hit us we feel flabby we feel attractive I feel hot I feel hungry I'm careful pretty fit hurt all of these feelings start to come in and in a weird way they start to dwarf the spiritual being that we all were because these chemistry's which is what the body runs on tends to become more real to us than the spiritual promptings that we all know we've had you are spiritual beings and I know you are and I know the body gets in the way because if you've ever in your life held a newborn baby you know what the spirit feels like if you've ever held the hand of somebody that was dying you know what the spirit feels like if you've ever served somebody and while serving them felt an intense love for them you know as spirit feels like you know you know you know if you've ever just gone out to nature and been totally taken away in such a beautiful place you know what the Spirit feels like the Spirit is not just those feelings that is your body that creates those feelings the body is the first trap of the human life we live the second trap is the mind the mind I want you to distinguish is different than the body when you sit there and you look in the mirror at your body and you think I'm fat that's probably not your body saying that and I'm gonna bet it's not even your spirit saying that I'm gonna bet it's something else and I call it your mind your mind is part of that carnal experience we're having in the mind was created in the carnal mind we know for sure was created with Adam and Eve in the Garden do you remember they had bodies in the garden they had spirits in the garden and they were operating and working with each other they were tending to the garden picking fruit taking care of everything they weren't necessarily progressing like they should probably should have eventually they / took of the fruit and the minute they / took the scriptures say their eyes were open and when they opened their eyes what happened next the first person they noticed was Lucifer they noticed him because their eyes had been open and he's the father of this carnal experience the mind is different than just chemistry and feelings the mind starts to create judgments poor rich powerful weak secure famous humiliated all of these judgments that we all go through in our lives the mind has a purpose and its purpose is it wants glory it wants power it wants control it wants all of these things when Adam and Eve particular fruit and their eyes opened Satan Lucifer pointed out what you're naked in my world nakedness is it has another word or term we use in my kind of business the word is vulnerable for the first time Adam and Eve felt vulnerable they for the first time felt insecure for the first time if you remember they started to cover up they started running and hiding and fearing and shaming and guilting and blaming they felt lonely they felt dreary and they were ejected from the garden and when they were ejected from the garden with loneliness and fear and insecurity and all of these issues of the mind plus the infirmities of the body guess what happened to him they felt this incredible need to try to fill these holes up and I believe every one of us today in our human body and our human experience we're doing nothing more than trying to fill the holes we try to make ourselves fill those crazy gaps by being prettier more powerful more prestigious we want more popularity we want more profit and when we have all of these things we're confident it will fill the hole that was left when we left the garden when Adam and Eve left the garden and I'm here to tell you it's a myth you're never going to fill the hole by using your body and your mind to do it there is not going to be a way through to spirituality through the mind the Savior said your thoughts are not my thoughts saith the Lord your ways are not my ways so what we've got to figure out is how do we get back to the spirit you remember that seventeen-year-old girl I was telling you about that in crime young vibrant woman who felt so bad because she couldn't smile like she used to she taught me the way and the way very simply was this as we're sitting down I had walked her through this model she understood what her body and what had happened to her body and what that made her feel she understood her mind as she understood her spirit and as she was telling me her story I asked her can you see where you are when you feel desperate and lonely and weak and pathetic and insecure where are you and she said I'm in my mind and then it creates chemistry in my body I'm like great so where do we need to go and she said we need to find a way back to the spirit how do you propose we do that and she smiled and she said I guess I just need to always remember him I need to turn to God she said by always remembering him and I asked her how could we remember him right now she says I'm not sure and I said imagine right now you're weak you're sad you're so down you feel so bad what if the Savior came in right now and sat right next to you what if he turned to you right there and reached out to you right here in this room and just held you and you could just bury your face in your body into his grasp she said that would be so beautiful and she started to cry I said what would it feel like she said I feel so loved I'd feel so much peace I'd have so much connection to him I feel like we are one and I asked her so where are you now as you think about your problems your try your trials your adversity she said now I'm experiencing him from my spirit that's the only way my friends to get that peace and that joy in that at one meant is we must learn to turn and I promise you when you turn he will be there to lighten the load I then asked her okay so what if when you turn to him what if he still doesn't want to heal your scars and she got a little mad why wouldn't you want to heal my scars and I said well maybe he might need you to have them for some reason why do you think he didn't heal his scars and she said I guess so that we would always remember him is it possible I asked that he calves you keeping your scars just so you'll always remember to look to him I truly believe that everyone in this room can eliminate a lot of our angst our pain our judgment and our human issues if we would simply remember that you're not a human being having an occasional spiritual experience you are children of the Most High God who loves you fully and if you will just remember it notice where you are and turn he will be there for you and when you turn your spirit grows and the Lord starts to change your life line upon line precept upon precept here a little there a little he changes you and he changes your ability to change your problems and your pains it is the most powerful thing so right now everybody think of what you're battling with where does your body beat you up where does your mind beat you up and I want you to imagine the turn if you in the midst of your biggest trial your biggest pain could be held by the Lord I want you to imagine what that feels like if you could just release your mortal thoughts and fears and be held and if right now you can feel that peace and that love and that joy I promise you that's because he's there with you he wants you to be better he wants you to feel of his love I promise you if you will turn he will be there I promise if you knock he will answer it doesn't mean he will take away your scars and your pains but he will give you the power and the strength through him to deal with them and turn them and convert them into something else I promise you also this he is waiting to be with you he loves you fully and we'll feed you fully if you will turn to Him he tells us I will be on your right side and on your left side and my spirit will be in your heart and angels will be round about you to bury you up houston we have a problem humans we have a problem and the only real lasting answer comes from heaven I pray we'll all turn to God and look and live thank you [Applause]

Jean Kelley

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48 COMMENTS

  1. Marlee Craig Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    Absolutely love this, so many beautiful pieces of counsel in this presentation. This has most definitely given me a new perspective.

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  2. tpbarron Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    Great speech, thank you

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  3. Tatjana Baker Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    Best talk (lecture) I’ve ever heard! Thank you! Thank you!

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  4. Camping in Michigan Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    Anyone notice they scrolled down and not one negative comment, all positive. That has not happend on any video, ever! LoL
    Great talk though, loved his words and the way he expressed them.

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  5. Dee Vah Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    Very powerful. Need these words.

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  6. Patti E. Sippola Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    Exactly! We are spiritual beings living in a human world. Thank you Matt!

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  7. Aldren Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    Remember who we are, and remember that if we want an answer, a perfect answer, we must turn to our savior Jesus Christ and Heavenly Father who is perfect that will gives us the perfect answer to our questions. Always, always remember Him. The source of our happiness, the source of our strength and the source of truth and light. I love this video. 😍

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  8. metfan metfan Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    It's what we all so desperately need today thank you

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  9. Vannah Hall Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    "There is not a way to the spiritual through the mind."

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  10. Bhel Garcia Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    I love this video…thanks a lot ..keep coming

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  11. Pat Brown Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    LISTEN TO THE END. THOUGHTFUL. VERY GOOD.
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  12. Lynn Du Toit Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    Wow… This I needed to hear so much! Thank You ! This was so Powerful and amazing, I felt the Spirit and Love!

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  13. Liahona Flores Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    Wow. I love this. So powerful and inspiring. 🙂

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  14. McGinnis Kids Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    This was amazing! I really understood this.

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  15. Omar Forconesi Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    Great message Matt!

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  16. Adam Seilbach Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    I love how we are to see our condition in mortality, it helps us know whether or not our feelings or thoughts are from the Holy Ghost

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  17. Kay B83 Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    Amen! This is an answer to prayer!

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  18. Cindy Campbell Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    A true blessing filled my heart today after listening to this talk. I need not let my thoughts and MY ways interfere with HIS thoughts and HIS ways. I felt my true identity today, the last time I felt this was… long ago. But I recognized this peaceful feeling.
    My setbacks and things I cannot change or (possibly change immediately) will turn me to him daily.

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  19. Albina Truax Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    I love it. I felt the Spirit when I watched it.

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  20. Omar S. Turner the Life Coach Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    Thank you for the reminder!

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  21. Keagan Egbert Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    i was listening to this video and i just wanted to cry. i have been dealing with deppresion and trying to find some sort of peace. People are always talking about peace and how its so great but what they never say is how to find it. Thank you so much. Now i know the way. Now i can feel peace

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  22. Terrie Y Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    This made me cry , I must listen to this everyday! Thank you

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  23. Mario Aguilar Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    Very true. Great message! Put things in perspective.

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  24. Sarah Despain Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    no words to describe
    Thank you. 💖💖💟💖

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  25. Sarah Despain Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    no words to describe
    Thank you. 💖💖💟💖

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  26. Perla MacNeille Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    This was very awesome! This was definitely an answer to my prayers and it gave me a better insight on myself.

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  27. Shaquille Young Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    This video truly opened my eyes, such an amazing message.

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  28. Tiana Barcinas Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    He's funny.

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  29. Weston Powers Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    I love this series of videos. Keep them coming!!

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  30. Melissa Dillon Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    I heard this on my way to work today, and it truly spoke to my soul.  It was the perfect thing for me to hear, and I've shared it to spread the good word.

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  31. Lexie Hardy Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    Such a powerful talk love it!

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  32. LE PETIT Conseil Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    This video is part of the waited answer to my prayer. I had no doubt on my Faith in Jesus-Christ, but I wanted to be closer to him as life's experience can beat me so hardly. Thank you Bro. Townsend! I know that the Spirit guide me to this page.

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  33. S Dompson Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    Thank you so much for sharing this, it's so inspirational! I learnt so so much, again thank you.

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  34. haveagal Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    thank you the best so far 😊

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  35. Jim Hetherton Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    Great insights Powerful message 🙂

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  36. Nyalat Ruach Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    This is the single most amazing thing I could have ever heard at this moment. Like, holy cow! God loves His children! He loves me! He knows me and I existed before this time; never has that felt more real to me than now.

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  37. Gongoozler I am Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    wow I feel the love. I used to think take it from me and knowing that he won't I'd feel frustrated. now I realize comfort me or hold me and how important that can be in my relationship with Christ

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  38. Gongoozler I am Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    wow this is amazing. I will accept my lifelong depression as an opportunity creator for looking to and remembering the Savior. I love that part that talks about Him keeping His scars to remember us and we may do likewise.

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  39. Gongoozler I am Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    one of my worst most embarrassing moments has been haunting me lately and this is helping me overcome so thank you!

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  40. Gongoozler I am Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    amen amen amen 😇

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  41. Gongoozler I am Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    meekness is not weakness

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  42. Gongoozler I am Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    I love him and recognize him from his CD about an enduring love. I'd love to see more from him! he's funny 😀

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  43. Deandre Ruffin Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    Ahhhhh love this.

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  44. wearesupernovas • Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    Omg I loved this one too! Im so glad they are making these TED Talk type of talks, I LOVE these!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  45. Womba Makuwa Nashiwaya Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    wow.

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  46. don bleck Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    Great points, Satan is not the father of the mind which allows discernment etc. The conscience itself is the way we are allowed to be free and choose. Without the mind we cannot become like God.

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  47. xvGon Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    excellent talk…

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  48. Schplat Posted on April 29, 2019 at 3:59 am

    So this video is about how we are spiritual beings having a human experience and that we are more than our bodies. Yet the whole purpose of this life is to have a body and become a whole soul with it.
    I'm thinking this is an imperfect analogy. Can anyone help clear this up?

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