– [Melissa Kruger] So, one of the things
I love to do and have done since I was about 15 years old is journal,
and I have all these journals. I’ve written down my prayers for years.
I have a very specific type of journal I like to get. I like a spiral bound with a
hard cover. And so sometimes it’s hard to find these, and I’ve found them through
the years. And they usually just have pictures of flowers on them and all these
things. Now they’re filled with messages like be true to yourself. You know,
dream big. But the one I see the most is “follow your heart”. So,
my question for you all is, should we, as Christians, follow our heart?
What does that even mean for us as women who believe? – [Trillia Newbell] I’d love to hear from
you first. – [Rosaria Butterfield] Well,
especially if I’m talking with my unbelieving neighbor, and she says
to me, “Well, I’m in this really compromising situation,
and I’m just going to follow my heart. What do you think, Rosaria?” you know,
I’ll often say, well, you know, I think that’s a really interesting point.
But, you know, I think sometimes we might be using the same vocabulary and different
dictionaries. So, as a Christian, I want to follow Christ’s heart.
I really do. And, you know, I’m in the south and so a lot of people
can tell you about the works of Christ. They can tell you that he died on the
cross. They can tell you that he rose again on the third day. But,
I’ve noticed that not a lot of even maybe some of, you know, our people but
certainly my neighbours who have been to church but have walked away from it.
they don’t know the person of Christ. They don’t know that Christ’s compassion
is the best firewall against my committing,
my own personal sinful desires that exist out there. And so, you know,
my responses to, you know, channel Thomas Goodwin a bit here,
the Puritan who wrote theThe Heartof Christand say, yes,
actually when Christ was arrested, I was with him. When Christ was scourged,
I was there. When his hands were nailed to the cross, those were my hands.
When he died, I died with him. And when he rose again,
I stand now in the risen Christ. My Christian life came in exchange for the
life I once loved, not in addition to it. But it’s not loss, it’s gain because my
heart is the heart of Christ. – [Trillia Newbell] Amen. Yes,
as I was thinking about this, I just thought, if we are to follow our
hearts, it kind of a little bit depends. We could follow our hearts to hell, right?
We could follow our hearts to sin. Well, in that case, you don’t want to
follow your heart, right? But I think sometimes what the tension is
for Christians is that they’re actually trying to figure out what to do.
And I think, if you’re following your heart to sin, then absolutely no.
We are not governed by our hearts. We don’t do what our hearts tell us to do
because our hearts are deceitful and they can lead us down a dark, dark path,
so we want to follow Christ and Christ’s heart. With that said,
if you’re trying to figure out, I have a desire to go to Spain on a
mission trip. It is my heart. Should I follow my heart? I think,
well, if you’re not going into sin, then, yeah, let’s go to that mission trip.
I think sometimes we can overthink our decisions, and I think that sometimes
we can almost stifle the Spirit because we want so badly not to follow
our hearts. We want to please God, and that’s good. So what we is we don’t
do anything. And Kevin DeYoung wrote a book calledJust Do Something.
I so appreciate that. I appreciate that perspective. So in that situation,
where we’re trying to make a decision or we’re trying to…you probably can,
“Okay, is this sinful?” then maybe you could just do that heart desire.
But when you’re following your heart into a sin pattern or following your heart
into sin, then no. Don’t do that. Don’t do that. Follow Christ.
So I think it all depends on what we’re talking about here and getting these
definitions. – [Melissa Kruger] Yeah, I like that
because I think sometimes we have this thought that all desires at all
are bad. But that perhaps, you know, God gives us a new heart and He’s going to
align our desires even with good things from this new heart that he’s placed in
us. So, when we find ourselves wanting to share the gospel with someone,
wanting to, you know, do these good works which He says He
prepared in advance for us to do, we can run in the path of His commandments
because He set our heart free is what it says. And so there is this…we are new
creations. Now we’re warring with the old man, the flesh that still will have
desires, and so I think this is where we have that we look at Scripture and we say,
“Oh, this desire is outside of God’s will so it’s wrong. My heart can be deceitful
above all things.” But when we see Him placing desires in us and we have passions
for things, that are God-oriented and God-centred and for His glory,
we can run in the path of His commands with joy. You know, all service to God
doesn’t have to be misery. It should be this overflow, you know [not like], “Oh,
the most righteous thing I do is the really hard thing,” but that we can live
lives of service that are full of Christ’s love because we realize what he’s done for
us. And that’s a different heart of service that’s joyful. – [Rosaria Butterfield] Right,
one of the differences though is that often when the world says follow your
heart, it’s very individualistic and it’s very outside of any kind of communal
boundary. And, one of the things that we mean as Christians, when we follow our
heart, we have sisters in the Lord to check with. We have the Bible to check
with. We have our elders. We have our pastors.
We have many counselors. We’re not poll-taking.
But it does mean that my “following my heart” is not something that happens all
by myself. So, you all are going to help me make sure that I’m not following
my heart to hell. – [Trillia Newbell] Absolutely.
You do not, yes. That is such a good point. We, as Christians,
are in a community. We’re adopted into a family. So we’re no longer just
living for ourselves in the first place, but we’re also living with a community.
So it’s so essential and important that we’re getting feedback, accountability.
We’re asking good questions before we follow our hearts. – [Rosaria Butterfield] And again we need
to make good on that, because if we’re saying that but actually
in the church, we’re just a bunch of isolated, lonely people. Then,
that’s not going to happen. Because when we are faced with these
decisions, they feel organic and spontaneous. Sometimes we need to make
quick decisions. Sometimes our need to check with you isn’t going to
correspond with the Tuesday afternoon women’s luncheon. Sometimes I need to just
text you now. We need to be relationship so that we can make good on that. – [Together] Absolutely.