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Psychedelics and Religion

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on mysticism and shamanism we are going to continue discussing psychedelics a little
bit. The reason why is last week we dispensed with psychedelics as the defining quality
of shamanism.
Now what we are going to examine is whether the origins of religion were in the use of
psychedelics. And, the reason for that is, the people who have written on the subject
of drugs and psychedelics have argued that since all cultures have recognized psychedelic drugs, and some shaman have used
psychedelics to stimulate their shamanic experiences, then they have reasoned that perhaps the religious
experiences of all of the mystics and progenitors of all of the religions have been drug induced,
and therefore the origins of all of the religions were in the use of psychedelics.
Now, the reason why I keep going back and
forth between religion, mysticism and shamanism, is in the Social Sciences we use the analog
method of comparative cultural behavior. In the analog method, if we can recognize and
define a cultural behavior in one culture and we observe similar behavior in another
culture, then we can use the analog method to explore the behavior in another culture
that may not be well documented. So, I am using the analog method throughout this discourse
and throughout my research, so this is why I am comparing shamanism and mysticism.
The other thing that you will notice is I
am not at all interested in the breadth of expression in shamanism and mysticism. I am
interested in is the depth.
What I have found in most academic research into shamanism and mysticism is they have
been scraping the surface of those subjects. So, I am interested in digging much deeper
than any academic has here to for done so.
So, now we are going to explore our analog for the consumption of drugs to stimulate
a spiritual experience. And, specifically we are going to investigate the question of
whether the consumption of psychedelic drugs to stimulate those religious experiences is
the origin of the religious experience and therefore the origins of religion.
Now, if we want to support the premise that
the consumption of psychedelic drugs was the vehicle that the patriarchs of the various
religions used for stimulating their religious experiences, then what we would have to see
in the record of those religions is evidence that their patriarch was taking some kind
of magic elixir to stimulate his religious experiences. But, what we see instead is just
about every patriarch of just about every religion was a rigorous contemplative who
retreated into the wilderness, engaged in a rigorous contemplative life and by so doing
produced his spiritual experiences.
And, we can look at the Abrahamic religions. The patriarchs there that we are going to
examine are: Moses, John the Baptist, Jesus and Mohammed. Every one of them went off into
the wilderness, spent a great deal of time in the wilderness praying and meditating;
and through that prayer and meditation they experienced religious experiences.
The religious experience, according to Saint
John of the Cross, was called “contemplation.” So, we are using contemplation to equal the
religious experience. So, every mystic, who has a religious experience, is experiencing
contemplation. And, we see that evidence in the experience of the patriarchs of the three
Abrahamic religions.
So, now let us examine the Indic religions, primarily of Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism.
And, what we find for the most part in their record, is again, most of their patriarchs,
were like the Buddha, renounced all their attachments for the world, went into the wilderness,
and engaged in meditation and experienced religious experiences, and we find no evidence
that they are taking magic elixirs.
If we look at the Chinese religions: Taoism, Shintaoism and Confucianism. What we see in
most cases, like Lao Tse, going into the wilderness, and engaging in meditation, and gaining insights
into the nature of reality, which I would argue they were contemplatives, who were having
religious experiences.
So, yes, I would agree that there is plenty of evidence in the literature of Asia and
Europe, and the oral traditions of Africa and the Americas, and there is plenty of evidence
in the archaeological record, that mind altering drugs were most definitely used by various
cultures. However, what we do not see is the link between those psychedelic experiences
and the origins of the various religions. So, certainly there were some people taking
drugs, but there is no evidence that the origins of those religions was in purely in the taking
of mind-altering drugs.
Thank-you friends, have a great week}

Jean Kelley



  1. bruce anthony Posted on February 24, 2011 at 12:16 am

    what with the suit? 😉

  2. bruce anthony Posted on February 24, 2011 at 12:19 am

    what with the suit? 😉 great video….

  3. Jeffrey Brooks Posted on February 24, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    @TheSeekerAll Yes, what has become clear to me is, while many people are looking for a shortcut to salvation, liberation and enlightenment, there are none.

  4. Jeffrey Brooks Posted on February 24, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    @dipper888bp thank-you for posting your support for the GWV video series. The suit is just an attempt to build a larger audience.

  5. Lee Gee Posted on February 24, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    Nothing wrong with the suit and tie, and plenty good about that hat.
    Looking forward to more.

  6. bruce anthony Posted on February 24, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    @Jhananda Maybe the suit is a good idea. Maybe I'm just used to seeing you in street clothes.

  7. Jeffrey Brooks Posted on February 25, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    @gabagne my case histories show that there are at least hundreds of rigorous urban contemplatives, who have become mystics alive today. However, their stories show that their spiritual crises were more difficult due to living in the city. Historically, we could look at Kabir, Rumi, Teresa of Avila and John of the Cross, as urban mystics, but their urban 500-1000 years ago was not our urban.

  8. Jeffrey Brooks Posted on January 12, 2012 at 11:47 pm

    @gxr420 I do not happen to subscribe to any mainstream religion; however, I would call myself 'spiritual' or 'contemplative.' And, I happen to believe the contemplative life is the 'holy-life,' or 'righteous life' that the progenitors of the various religions described.

  9. allmotorjkj Posted on October 3, 2013 at 10:22 am

    @Jeff, When's the last time you took a psychedelic? ever Meditate on it? could be a way to maintain the 4th Jhana.

  10. Jeffrey Brooks Posted on October 3, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    I am not sure when the last time I took a psychedelic; however, I did take them on rare occasions after I took up the practice of meditation, and I indeed found that the two worked together to produce a profound psychedelic experience; however, my most profound altered states of consciousness have always been through the practice of meditation, not through psychedelics. Also, my experience of psychedelics is the drug wears off, but a daily meditation practice does not. It is cumulative.

  11. Mario Quesada Posted on January 20, 2015 at 5:26 am

    I suspect this man doesn't have personal experience with psychedelics.
    Hey @Jeffrey Brooks I've meditated for more than 35 years and if I keep doing it evidently because it has been helping me.
    That being said, taking psychedelics with the intention of learning about ourselves or exploring possibilities we hadn't suspected yet doesn't prevent us from growing.
    These are tools that we don't have to be attached to but we don't have to have aversion to neither. Attachment and aversion are both hindrances don't you think?
    So, for the rest of the readers do the explorations you feel like doing and know that psychedelics can be used for spiritual awakening in a way that we don't need religion. Religion is like second hand experience, you read about love and forgiveness, you may even feel the need for experiencing deep love and forgiveness, but with psychedelics the experience can be cumulative the same way meditation has a cumulative effect.
    Don't you notice that just one day of meditation is not enough?, that we need to meditate for long periods and train to go into deeper states?
    The same applies with psychedelics although for many people who used them in a non-recreational context, just one experience have changed their lives for the better.
    I had a client which in just one session of psychotherapy assisted with MDMA, healed her anxiety with which she lived for more than fifty years.
    So, please, don't tell people psychedelics are useless.
    My client's anxiety disappear once she had some insights about her life and herself and she recovered trust and faith that was blocked by conditioning for early life experience.
    If you choose to remain ignorant let others to know by themselves.

  12. That Ninja Drone Life Posted on February 22, 2015 at 4:52 pm

    Apparently this man has not read Carl A. P. Ruck's The Apples of Apollo: Pagan And Christian Mysteries of the Eucharist

  13. Rodney Bresch Posted on September 2, 2015 at 3:18 pm

    You see similar artwork, within all of the cultures. It's all essentially, about geometry. While having closed eye journeys, on certain substances, you become immersed in fractals, and beautiful geometry. If you trip hard enough…it can be seen with the eyes open. But, moses talked to a burning bush? The ark of the covenant was built, using acacia(which contains dmt)…indicating, the power was within, the box…or bark of the acacia. The blue lotus in hinduism. Really, you see it everywhere, from the texts, to the art.