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Matrisciana on Escaping From Hinduism


Hinduism has had a major impact on religious beliefs in the Western world over the past half-century so much so in fact that Newsweek magazine recently featured an article entitled we are all Hindus now what do they mean by that assertion is there any truth to it and why do each turn religions like Hinduism and Buddhism seem to be growing in popularity for the viewpoint of an expert on Eastern religions stay tuned [Music] lamb and lion ministries presents Christ in prophecy a program that focuses on the fundamentals of Bible prophecy showing how current events in the news relate to biblical predictions of end time events and the soon return now your host dr. David Reagan greetings in the name of Jesus Our Blessed hope and welcome to Christ in prophecy my colleague Nathan Jones and I are delighted to have as our special guest this week a wonderful Christian lady by the name of Carol matryona Carol welcome to Christ in prophecy thank you love that smile I appreciate you flying all the way out here from California yeah I understand you got fogged in and flights had to be changed and all that I’m here you’re here yes I don’t think the devil wanted us to make these programs and I think our viewers will understand why when we get into it I’m excited about getting into it well folks Carol is a best-selling author and filmmaker and is a recognized expert on Eastern religions contemporary cults paganism and the occult she has been involved in the production of more than 60 documentaries over the past 30 years autobiography published in 1985 was titled gods of the new age it became an instant bestseller it was republished in a revised edition in 2008 under the title out of India in 2002 she won the National Religious broadcasters award of TV producer of the year for her video about the Harry Potter novels the clever title of the video was Harry Potter witchcraft repackaged making evil look innocent some of her more recent video productions have been won in 2007 titled gods of entertainment it was about the power of the mass media to influence and corrupt the values of society in 2008 she released a hard-hitting video called yoga uncoiled in which she exposed the dangers of yoga and bee bucked the popular idea that there can be such a thing as Christian yoga in 2009 she produced another very hard-hitting video entitled Islam rising in which she clearly demonstrated that Islam is anything but a so-called religion of peace she is currently putting the final touches on a new video production to be called wide is the gate it is an expose concerning the apostate emergent church movement that is sweeping through evangelical Christianity today Carol tell us about how you became an expert on Hinduism well I wish I could take credit for it but actually I was fifth generation born in India yeah so it was my environment it was my personal experience I was born in Calcutta India Calcutta is named after the goddess the black goddess Kali who has her tongue sticking out she as the 29 heads of her husband’s who she has slaughtered and killed because she desires blood so Carly got the steps of Calcutta the steps to Kali was the city that I was born in and I saw firsthand incredible worship to Kali the goddess durga shiva he is the consort who has the serpent wrapped around his neck serpent around his arms serpent around his legs so that whatever he’s thinking the serpent is thinking it for him whatever he’s doing with the serpent around his arms wherever he goes with the serpent around his legs so serpent power is integral in Hinduism actually in all Eastern mysticism the serpent is raised as a being of power knowledge and wisdom and so I had this as a child growing up realized the power and the adoration of everyone around me for this sort of so-called white incredible wisdom and yet as a little child I was I could feel the spiritual fear somehow I can’t explain it it was just always an ongoing dicot well now tell us more about your background you were born of British parents I was born of British parents my father was in the British military and my great grandfather before him in different was were you brought up in a Christian home actually I was raised to Roman Catholic okay fifth generation Roman Catholic and a very development very divided because in India and and because of my father’s devoutness my life was orchestrated by Jesuit priests and by nuns who they advised my father as to which schools I should go to and so even when I was sent to boarding school later on in my life in England it was under the protection of the nuns the convent the Sacred Heart convent that they had decided and put together and so were you introduced to principles of Hinduism by anyone well you know interestingly in every country that Roman Catholicism is it takes on the cultures of the country so in India Roman Catholicism is actually deeply influenced by Hindu mysticism so it was a very easy step for me after I left school about 17 18 being introduced in those days London I had just come to London we we’d left our parents my parents had left India we came to England in the late sixties where swinging London The Beatles were in there that had the theatre show was absolutely number one swinging hit and I remember the promotion of Hinduism and yoga had been completely repackaged for the West the Hari Krishna devotees were going down the London streets Oxford Street in that orange garb crashing their cymbals hari hari hari rama rama ram and i used to remember i heard this as a child in india but it was much darker it was sort of blacker it hadn’t been repackaged for the Western mind the way that Hinduism came through the Beatles through Maharishi Mahesh Yogi through Transcendental Meditation through the celebrities so that when the celebrities talked about Eastern meditation Eastern mysticism yoga it came packaged with celebrity status and it was very appealing as we were young people growing up in our seventeen eighteen nineteen twenties seeing our superstars turning to drugs and Eastern mysticism of course we wanted to be involved in well in your book a wonderful book which you’re going to tell our viewers more about later on called out of India in this book one of the things that really stands out is you tell about when you got to London and you were twenty years old I think this was in 1966 that you went to see a musical and then it was like a life-transforming event a spiritual event what was the musical yes it was her it was her and it was transform and you thought you had found the truth well yes and and really what was incredible about that was it was the manipulative way that music had now come into that generation of course now it’s in this generation who are consumed with music and the powers of music but music was the conduit to take you into spiritual realms and without even realizing the spiritual realms that I was being taken into was this polished Hinduism and yoga that I had just come out of but in India you could see it the way you know there are hundreds of idols thousands of idols in the trees and the monkey guard in the in the elephant guard in the cow in the middle of the street which your car is not permitted to move if a cow is in the middle of the street because that is God so you can’t a sacred cow holy cow you cannot the deity of the street at that moment can hold up your meetings but you cannot take that thing out because you can’t kick God but you see it’s not only the cow every animal every living thing is divinity the trees the rats their rectum there’s a rat temple yes make temples so the idea of being one with divinity is part of Hinduism and yet in Roman Catholicism I I was raised with the idea that Jesus Christ on the cross was sort of a divinity I couldn’t reach because I had to go through Mary and I had to go through prayers and burning candles and had to go through mass and through benediction and my daily devotionals and so it was a God that wasn’t reachable but in Hinduism everything is divine and so the conflict and is huge I’m going to come back to a point you just made you as you inferred that the Beatles were very important in packaging Eastern religion to be acceptable in the West developed it well The Beatles of course were out of a and North England group young kids played the gettin played their band in the garage in the Liverpool the original Garage Band yes discovered by Radio Luxembourg promoted by English titles that then suddenly swept across to America but they seemed so innocent at first and then what what happened to the sweet love songs I think the point is that they got rich very quickly from from a garage in Liverpool to suddenly having adulation worldwide can go to one more famous than Jesus John Lennon and I think what happens is that the and I know from my personal experience because I very quickly in the swinging sixties rose to being a top model and went from England to America when you get Fame and money so quickly life becomes kind of empty because you have no value on the richness that you’ve acquired so quickly and and then you start looking for spiritual things but the spirituality that was around in those days was the Eastern mysticism because the these gurus from the east were flooding into and they came under their influence and everybody became under their interest in fact Maharishi Mahesh Yogi did an incredible marketing ploy he used the Beatles and all the Hollywood celebrities that were involved and flew them out free to Rishikesh which is the northern part of India where the goddess flows with all her energies and powers out of Rishikesh to the whole of India so here you’ve now got the indoctrination of these celebrities who are trendsetters for the world and they’re being filmed all the time so that when they came back to the West they came in doctrine 18 in fact they put out a new album sergeant Pepper’s band I believe it was called in which they had a album cover where they were standing in front of a grave for the Beatles it was a symbolic of we are burying the old Beatles and we’re becoming the new ones and we are very much involved in eastern religion every one of their songs as you got more and more involved in the lyrics of their songs because they started off as sort of sweet little love songs yes and then as you got involved in there Erick’s through the transformation of lyrics and music we became Eastern devotees whether we liked it or not whether we even understood it imagine I am you you are me he or she these are were all words in the songs which is that God is everywhere we are all divine okay you start out as a Roman Catholic in India mainly going through the motions not having a real personal relationship with God but doing all the things that you do there and then you get involved in this new form of Eastern religion brought into the West and you get all caught up in the hippie movement and that sort of thing where did you meet the Lord well interesting you see that was pre New Age after after that it this thing got called to the New Age and this New Age spirituality is and that hasn’t crept into the whole of society now but in those days because you were on a mystical search a spiritual search even if it was for Jesus it was still called a mystical spiritual search I mean nobody differentiated between the two because Jesus was one and what one and all and it was actually on a modeling job in Chicago that I threw a another two models that were on the job it was a wonderful story I’ve written it in my book little too complicated to get into in full but the point was I was taken to the back room they invited you to Bible study right I didn’t know it if I’d known it was Bible study I promise I wouldn’t have gone I didn’t know I thought Jesus was very narrow-minded because in my new age embrace of everything Jesus was to narrow the Bible was to narrow Christians were hypocrites and bigots I was by this time a complete lover of peace into the environment a vegetarian a feminist I I did yoga I I contacted the spirit world I was gung-ho for the new age and these friends invited me to a party in downtown old Chicago and I thought they were going to be drugged sir I didn’t realize that I had gone into a Christian bookstore because the Lord had so blinded my life I was raised in I done graphic design I was an art student but my eyes could not see all the graphic images because you’ll know you’ll know when I came out why but I went into the back room where I thought everybody was passing around drugs because this was such a happy group of people I was smiling and they were at peace and I wanted to see where the joint was and there was nothing but I saw this man this young bohemian sort of hippie reading from a well-worn book in the corner and he was reading and everyone was listening and slowly I started realizing he was talking about God that tuned me in that God works in the environment that you’re in that tuned me in so I came off the idea of looking for where the drugs were passing and realized something incredible about the authority of this man I didn’t know what it was but he spoke with an authority and afterwards they prayed and their prayers were very personal I remember thinking that because I had been raised on the rosary and wrote prayers sort of repetitive prayers and this was very free for all praying and I was so touched by that I went to him afterwards and I said you know thank you very much for for this and he said how long have you been a Christian and I said all my life oh if you did that was your answer all my life because and that’s the confusion today a lot of people who aren’t Christians think they are but I truly believed I was a Christian so I said all my life here I was doing yoga contacting spirits involved in spiritism I I was involved in every occult satanic possibility that I could have been involved in in the in that era of my life so he asked one other question which completely changed my life when did you accept Jesus Christ into your life like I’d never been asked that question I didn’t know I didn’t know that and I think he felt me stumbling and he came in right there with a 12-minute gospel which was the power of God unto salvation 12 minutes he had me riveted I was focused realize that there was somebody that died for me that loved me so much that he died for me I had no I had a lot of boyfriend’s by that time they loved me but none of them would have died for me I just didn’t know that somebody died for me it totally changed my life and he said would you like to accept Jesus Christ into your life right now of course I mean how could you deny inviting somebody that loves you so much that he gave his life for you and at that moment it was almost like a vacuum cleaner came into my life every one of my transgressions was wiped away I was slated clean I walked out of that little room at the back and the room that was in the front was a Christian bookstore with hundreds of books what a story well we’re going to take a break for just a moment we’ll come back and talk about the impact of Hinduism on the West [Music] welcome back to our interview of Caryl matrisciana we have been talking about her a journey from Hinduism to paganism to Christianity Carol I want to thank you for the testimony you just shared with us man I was tingling all over and one to stand up and shout hallelujah everything else it’s it was great one thing to read about your book it’s another thing to hear you tell about it going into a place looking for drugs and coming out with Jesus Christ let me write that that is really something I tell you what I would like for you to just tell our viewers how they can get in touch with you get on your newsletter mailing list so would you just look in that camera and tell them well thank you so much yes actually you can just go to my name it’s felt differently see a ryl so it’s WWC ary l tv.com Carroll tv.com and you can subscribe we have a free newsletter that comes out very regularly on contemporary issues how the New Age movement and all the new nuances and the new spirituality are coming into our churches and into Christianity and thank you okay now Carol I want to talk with you for just a moment about the impact of Hinduism on the Western world and also on Christianity and I’d like to do it by quoting to you from a newspaper week magazine article that I just thought was phenomenal the article was entitled we are all Hindus now and it said America is not a Christian nation we are it is true a nation founded by Christians and according to a 2008 survey 76% of Americans continued to identify themselves as Christian but according to a 2008 Pew Forum survey 65% of Americans believe that many religions lead to eternal life including 37% of white evangelicals the group that’s most likely to believe that salvation is by Jesus only also the number of people who seek spiritual truth outside the church is growing the 30% of Americans call themselves spiritual and not religious according to a 2009 Newsweek poll and that’s up 24% since 22 find Steven Protheroe religion professor at Boston University has long framed the American propensity for the divine deli cafeteria religion is very much in the spirit of Hinduism mm-hmm well as I told you earlier I thought myself a Christian and yet here I was involved in all of these new age new spirituality pagan occult Hindu Eastern mystical practices and yet truly truly believed I was a Christian so I can see where a huge percentage of people would answer that kind of a survey saying yes I’m a Christian but do they actually understand biblical Christianity the most er probably what you would call cultural Christians just born into a Christian society go to church but never really know them or know and that’s that’s the danger because we’re all born with a vacuum inside of us to know God and if society through the celebrities through our movie stars who are turning towards Buddhism Hinduism even our Christians from the pulpit that are speculate not even speculating recently Rick Warren was right on there inviting his three expert guests who are all involved in Eastern mysticism Hinduism Transcendental Meditation to come on to the screen and so if you’ve got a pastor like Rick telling the people to follow their health and well-being program and you think here’s a Christian telling me to do things you don’t realize that all of this is becoming confused and enmeshed in our Christian culture in our Christian churches that are embracing Eastern mystical ideas how do we identify that then I mean you you grow up in Hinduism you’ve lived through Hinduism and an american-type in the British setting but for the rest of us who believe that we’re in a Christian nation or even maybe a post-christian nation how can we identify that Hinduism has reached into the United States and we’re something – even our church that’s a great question and you know there’s only one way that is to really know your Bible see it was the first time that evening when I gave my life to the Lord Jesus Christ that I went on a crash course because they told me have you got a Bible I said no by I know should I do that I didn’t know I needed a Bible I read the Bible from cover to cover in those six weeks five times Wow because I had a would you give your life to something you really give your life missing the bread of life water of life the food of life so high and you just suddenly filled it up so I think the way that you can really tell a transformed Christian is if they have a love of the word a love of the truth and then they’re filled with the Holy Spirit that then applies that truth to in answer to your question to be able to discern what is evil and what is good because you can work out from that survey for instance it talked about that that many Christians believe that there are many paths to eternal life not truth if you know the Bible Jesus says I am the way the truth and the life you get abundant life through me I introduced you to the Father you can only come to the Father but you see our major value today Carol in American society seems to be tolerance and that is so intolerant to say Jesus is the only way yes because that’s part of Hinduism you see Hinduism is all-embracing it’s it believes that all paths lead to God that you can have your truth you can have your truth we can all have our truth and let’s have unity you can have the elephant garden I can have the rat garden yes why is that what is their view of God then well God is a consciousness and it’s a consciousness that you have to connect to mystically that’s what yoga is designed for Yoga is the only path into changing your mind your consciousness to go within yourself to arouse the snake which is believed to be inside of you and then connect to God consciousness which is a force and then you realize your divinity in in Eastern mysticism there is no such thing as sin it’s your ignorance that you are divine so yoga and every mystical practice is to connect you with your divinity which will then connect you with the whole embracing you reminds me of Shirley MacLaine in her books talking about if you really want to find God you must go inward you must cook we have the answers well I look what the Bible says Jeremiah 17 says there’s no good thing within us Jesus says that what comes out of our mouth is what defiles us so to go in which is what I had been doing through Eastern mysticism you get confused you get lost you you start living subjectively volitional processes take over emotions become your truth well I feel that’s truthful I feel that’s truthful but when I got redirected back to the Bible I could then go to my objective truth and say well what does God say about that is that it can I have eternal I do all paths lead to God are we all divine can we all become one with everything so it has to be the Bible that becomes our yardstick and I tragically believe that hundreds of thousands of Christians in America go to church on Sundays but do not read the Bible they have maybe a little Bible verse thrown up on a screen multiple screens up there on powerpoints and stuff like that but they do not go and check what they’re being taught against the Bible in Acts Paul said that the Bereans were more noble minded than the Thessalonians because they searched the Scriptures daily and checked them against how much more should they check you and me what are some other things about Hinduism that you could there’s definitely point out so we can say hey you know what stay away from that I think anything that makes you rely on your emotions and your feelings and your experiences postmodern emergent Church that is you see that the whole belief is that nothing is a truth is not absolute that we can all find our own truth and so when you have that coming into postmodern thinking into the seminaries into Christians that are being trained to be pastors then they go out onto the pulpit and say well whatever you all believe is OK I want to be politically correct I don’t want to offend anybody you’re not all sinners which of course is what Hinduism teaches but that isn’t what the Bible teach comes in and says we’re gonna have a lesson this morning on what homosexuality for example and instead of saying what the Bible says says how do you feel about this let’s let’s talk about how you feel about it you’re really off on the wrong track well in Hinduism homosexuality is embraced in fact homosexuality is part of religiosity or mysticism Carol I’m sorry to say our time is up I wish we could keep going on and on but we’re going to have to bring this to a close would you be willing to come back next week and talk with us about quote Christian yoga well we would love to have you do it I know you’re a real expert on it so thank you and we look forward to having you back well folks that’s our program for this week I hope it’s been a blessing to you and I hope you’ll be back next week when Carol will be talking about Christian yoga until then this is Dave Reagan speaking for Lamb & lion ministries saying look up be watchful for our redemption is drawing near the book out of India is a true story of the New Age movement Caryl matrisciana was born and raised as devout Catholic in India where she was surrounded by Hinduism with its mysticism yoga practices belief in reincarnation and the divinity evolved she writes about her confusing childhood experiences witnessing India’s caste system and animal worship as a young adult now living in the West she became involved in the hippy movement of the 60s where she unwittingly embraced Hinduism as it was repackaging called the new age she tells the captivating story of her personal spiritual struggle through a maze of contradictory beliefs until she finds truth and a personal relationship with Jesus Christ out of India traces the roots of the New Age emerging spirituality which is shaping business medicine education and government sadly it is also seducing millions of Christians away from the truth of biblical Christianity to get your copy of out of India for a gift of $15 plus shipping go to landline com or call the number you see on the screen thank you for joining us on today’s Christ in prophecy a presentation of lamb and lion ministries a non-denominational ministry dedicated to teaching the fundamentals of Biblical prophecy and proclaiming the soon return of Jesus you

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