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“I only teach my children the GOOD bits of my religion!” (Arguments For God Episode #3)


If you know anything about me, then you probably know that I am not too fond of the idea of Dogma, And I’m even less of a fan of bringing up children in any environment which parades it as a virtue. Now I don’t think I’m particularly alone in my view, and in fact, I would wager that most people when asked to would gladly denounce dogma and condemn those who are guilty of dispersing it. However, I am also of the belief that a large number of these people completely misunderstand what it means to be dogmatic and so are at risk of being entirely hypocritical. DISCLAIMER Yes, I’m talking about organized religion. No, it’s not the only type of dogma, and while I think it’s possibly the most damaging, that’s up for debate. But I certainly believe that religion is its most pestilential and life defining manifestation and also it’s most unwarrantedly permitted and socially forgivable form. I am fundamentally against the idea of state recognition of religion, and that means no religion in politics, no religion in public sector educational institutes, and no religion in societal expectation gets any kind of a blessing from me. If you’re gonna call your five year old son a Christian and send him to Catholic School, then to me you may as well be calling him communist and sending him to a Marxist school. A child who is told what to believe, how to believe it, and to never doubt its authenticity by his school teachers, parents, peers, and politicians alike is a child living under the influence of dogmatism. And here’s a peculiar thing: many of the adults who bring up their children in such environments are the same adults who claim to recognize the dangers of dogmatism. In fact, the most common criticism I receive when talking about this issue is, “Well look I am not like that. Yes, I bring up my child as a god loving Christian, but I only teach them about the good bits, the New Testament and omnibenevolent god, about Jesus and love and salvation.” So here’s what I say, Look , You may decide to teach your child your own adapted version of Christianity or Islam or Sikhism or Judaism. You may decide to omit the condemnation of homosexuality in the Pentateuch, or the castigation of nonbelievers in the Quran, or the mindless genocidal tendencies of the god of the Bible. That’s your decision to make. But here’s the thing. It’s still Dogma. Yes, that’s right. The defination of the word dogma doesn’t describe the nature of the principle being dictated as truths. Now dogmatism isn’t always as harmful as some fundamentalist or extremist forms. However, the fact remains that if you are presenting some idea or opinion as an unchallengeable truth It’s Dogma. “…what happened on the cross, in some small measure, actually happened for me.” Whether it’s religious, or political, or pseudoscientific, I say pseudoscientific because real science is always open to debate, and It’s irrelevent But okay, I just said that not all dogma is inherently damaging So surely our hypothetical “parent” situation whilst still dogmatic is A-OK right? Well, no. Not in this case, And here’s why. Take the example of gentle Jesus meek and mild. Here we have a god in the form of an earthly man who knows you perfectly, is without sin, and is the savior of all humanity. This is what we teach our children. Jesus, the spotless scapegoat with the ability of save mankind. Pretty good of him, hey. Well, say tomorrow I come to your house and frantically knock on the door. You answer, quite concerned, and ask me why I am there. And I reply, “Oh, listen, I’ve got some fantastic news.” “I’m here to save you.” What would be the first thing that you say to me? Would you rejoice? Would you thank me? Well, no, you’d ask me “Well, I’m sorry, but what on earth do I need saving from?” There are two sides to every coin. And if you place a shiny coin in front of a curious child, you’d be fool not to expect them to flip it over and see what’s on the other side. Your children will eventually learn that which you’ve been concealing. This method of censorship is unsustainable. There are simply too many questions that it leaves in a child’s mind, and it’s too significant an issue for them not to do their own investigations. And if they can’t find answers from you, or a teacher, or a priest, Well, you can bet your bottom dollar that they’ll be able to find them on Google or Wikipedia. And when they do, they will sharply come to the unwelcome realization that there’s a reason that you’ve decided to misrepresent the truth for so long. That that which they need saving from is an enternity of hell fire, torment, and unthinkable agony bestowed upon them by the very maniac who offers their sole and only hope of escape. They’ll discover a god quite unlike the one from the story books that they’re familiar with, a god who puts a shot gun to your head and then has the temerity to expect you to kiss his feet in thanks for him deciding not to pull the trigger. I’m sorry. This is not the kind of moral teaching I wish to subject my children to. And look, I know it’s often used in defense of religious indoctrination, but it’s almost worse to only teach the good bits of any given religion or any ideology for that matter. By presenting your faith in its entirety, warts and all, and allowing your children to analyze it for themselves rather than from the perspective of your own personal interpretation, you’re gifting them the invaluable liberty of religious freedom. And this is the only way that someone can truly decide to which god or gods if any they wish to pledge their allegiance. If you still find yourself in protest, steadfast in the belief that you can eternally preserve your child’s ignorance of scripture, then please just take a moment to consider the following. If you are self-admittedly concealing specific sections of the constitution of the organization to which you subscribe and claim that you do so for it’s the only way to recruit new members, because if they knew the full truth they would turn and run, what does that say about your institution? A lot of people don’t like me for holding these opinions. It gets me a lot of flack from people that I know, but I know that I am not alone. I’m not saying let’s not teach our children about religion, I actually believe in quite the opposite. But when we do, Let’s not do so in such deceptive and disingenuous manner. If you don’t like the idea of certain parts of your religion being taught in, say, schools, then don’t look to the school, look to your religion. Schools should be challenging children’s beliefs. School should be educating them to the furthest extent and level of detail possible. In the words of Lawrence Krauss, “The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance, but to overcome it.” If you are somebody who defends religious indoctrination by claiming that you “only teach the good bits,” then maybe just take a moment to consider why you even need to make such a disclaimer at all. I’m Cosmic Skeptic. Thank you for listening and I’ll see you in the next one.

Jean Kelley

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100 COMMENTS

  1. CosmicSkeptic Posted on March 13, 2017 at 11:12 pm

    A transcript of this video is available on my blog:
    https://cosmicskeptic.wordpress.com/2017/03/13/only-the-good-bits/

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  2. Ra Sa Posted on September 12, 2019 at 8:24 pm

    Great video, made me realise that this is exactly what my mother did for me. Needless to say the shock of learning the Bible's true contents was the first rung on the athiesm ladder

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  3. J R Posted on September 12, 2019 at 9:58 pm

    Marxism and communism are the direct opposite of dogmatism and oppression.

    Marxism is a social science that examines history, economy, and society.

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  4. J R Posted on September 12, 2019 at 10:08 pm

    Cosmic Skeptic? Congratulations, you don’t believe in the lies of organized religion. The easiest, most basic lies that any 15 year old with a grasp of science could transcend. But what about the harder lies? The lies that have been engrained so deep into you that you don’t even bother questioning them? The lies of capitalism and statism are far more prevalent and dangerous than any person who finds solace in the mercy of God, during their most trying times of suffering could ever have. Your realization that God isn’t real isn’t new or insightful. Far from a bold truth, it has become a banal route of fake-rebellion for people who are only barely beginning to think about their existence.

    Good luck on your journey, but as of now, this type of stuff sounds amateurish and overdone. Try asking yourself things you have never asked yourself before.

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  5. I'm Only A Man And I Will Die Some Day Posted on September 13, 2019 at 4:19 am

    "All who have come before me are thieves and robbers" -Christ

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  6. bruce blosser Posted on September 13, 2019 at 5:47 am

    it took me over 10 years to break away from christianity… i can truely say i was brainwashed, and i can tell you that i would in no way try to paint either of my parents as evil, but damage was done, and I had to break away! Either that or just end myself! I felt that those were the two choices i had!

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  7. stephen noonan Posted on September 13, 2019 at 8:37 am

    Since you asked :
    Not ALL homosexuals are atheists.
    Most Irish Catholics are alcoholics.
    All born again Christians are tedious.
    And the majority of agnostics are open to suggestions.

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  8. J D M Posted on September 13, 2019 at 9:44 am

    Wheat Vs Chaff
    I agree with the Lobster King, you can't dismiss the mythic representations of humankind as problematic phantasmagoria. You gotta sort them into a hierarchy.

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  9. Jeon Burrito Posted on September 13, 2019 at 12:59 pm

    I really love your videos

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  10. erik hobma Posted on September 13, 2019 at 2:03 pm

    No religion education for children under 21, like with selling alcohol.And there should be warning sticker on the bible just like with alcohol.

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  11. LIITEMIES Posted on September 13, 2019 at 3:18 pm

    perfection in a video.

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  12. Juli Hanono Posted on September 13, 2019 at 4:01 pm

    We jews don't believe in hell, jaque mate atheists! Just kidding

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  13. Jaye Dayna Posted on September 13, 2019 at 4:47 pm

    What is the name of the chart at 5:25

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  14. I Will Dare Posted on September 13, 2019 at 8:20 pm

    I only teach my son the good parts of religion, too.
    That's why I teach him nothing about it at all.

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  15. Flemming Bisgaard Posted on September 14, 2019 at 12:04 am

    Spot on F……. hilarious.

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  16. InformationIsTheEdge Posted on September 14, 2019 at 12:07 am

    It seems that teaching only the good bits in the bible represents two confessions. First it is a tacit confession there are bad bits in the bible that the children need protection from. Any religion that would shock the mind of a child cannot be right. Second, that the bible is not the ultimate arbiter of what is moral. Leaving out the horror of the bible is admitting that you are more moral than the bible.

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  17. 03Venture Posted on September 14, 2019 at 2:06 am

    Most kids will eventually find the truth on their own, provided they are encouraged and taught to think logically and analytically.

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  18. Roger England Posted on September 14, 2019 at 2:15 am

    I hope those kids only experience good people and good things in their lifetimes.
    Merciful God. 🙏

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  19. Emmanuel U Posted on September 14, 2019 at 3:09 am

    You are not alone! I'm with you on this.

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  20. 0nly This Posted on September 14, 2019 at 5:44 am

    Yahweh attempted to maintain his adam in perpetual innocence (infantile ignorance) by lying to him, threatening him with instant death should he so much as touch the Tree of Knowledge. He failed. Fortunately, limited beings as ourselves possess a quality of which an infinite being must be eternally incapable – Curiosity.

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  21. Eric Graham Posted on September 14, 2019 at 10:10 am

    B.E.A.U.T.I.F.U.L

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  22. Simplicius Simplicissimus Posted on September 14, 2019 at 2:23 pm

    “My position: religion is an evil and debilitating force in the world.  …No, wait a minute, I've gone too far…It isn't religion, because religion is merely belief… It's organized religion. It's religion with a label. That's what stinks.”
    —Harlan Ellison, The Glass Teat: March-7-1969

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  23. andy stokes Posted on September 14, 2019 at 4:25 pm

    It's not just the shielding of children from the unpleasant bits, it continues through adulthood.
    As children we are taught all about David slaying Goliath with his slingshot, I don't suppose there is any child raised with any slight amount of Christian input who is not aware of that story but what else do we teach our children about David?
    Do we ever teach them about what is said in 1 Samuel 18:25?

    If you are unfamiliar with it, David wished to marry Michal, the daughter of King Saul. The dowry demanded by Saul was that David should bring him 100 foreskins from the Philistines. David went one better than that by attacking the Philistines, slaughtering 200 Philistine men and cutting off their foreskins which he then presented to Saul in order to secure his bride.

    Whichever way you look at it this is an immoral disgusting barbaric act and I can understand why we would want to shield our children from it but it's not just children who this is kept from.
    When was the last time that a professional Christian, a vicar, bishop or priest ever got up in the pulpit on a Sunday morning and gave a sermon about this – to the best of my knowledge it has never happened and I have yet to meet a person who claims to be Christian who is even aware of this part of book they cling to as the source of morality.
    If it truly is inerrant, as claimed and is the source of morality as is also claimed why are they so reluctant to mention it.

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  24. Voodoo King Posted on September 14, 2019 at 6:36 pm

    bible readings *skips everything bad *

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  25. humbuckerpickups Posted on September 14, 2019 at 7:09 pm

    All Christians either justify the "bad parts" or ignore the "bad parts". It is the only way they can fool themselves into feeling good about being a Christian. And this goes for most religions. I won't say ALL religions because I do not know all of them.

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  26. boiwhybother Posted on September 15, 2019 at 12:05 am

    Really wish I didn't grow up with Christian family or community. Caused a lot of self hate I really could have avoided.

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  27. edlaprade Posted on September 15, 2019 at 1:04 am

    Yeah, the why do I need saving when Jeebus already did that? idea was one of the Big Red Flags that Christianity was bullshit to me as a kid. Strangely, it is something that debunkers always seem to ignore.

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  28. Jordan Johnson Posted on September 15, 2019 at 4:17 am

    As a fundamental bible-believing Christian, want to say I appreciate your channel and your perspective. I disagree with 95% of the things you say, but you help to sharpen my own beliefs. (This video is the exception. I agree with the assertion we should not cherry pick sections of scripture to feed to our children. Genesis-Revelation must be taught.

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  29. hunter christensen Posted on September 15, 2019 at 4:23 am

    Okay comparing Catholicism to communism is absolutely ridiculous, you can’t compare a religious belief to a political opinion!

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  30. hunter christensen Posted on September 15, 2019 at 4:27 am

    The stuff in the Old Testament doesent even apply to Christianity, plus the “bad bits” from the Old Testament is just the history, and laws of the ancient hebrews and are only there for context and historical purposes so much of it doesn’t even apply to Judaism.

    It’s a shame on how ignorant people are on their own religion, and quite frankly why bother being Christian if you don’t even know the nature of your own holy book.

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  31. hunter christensen Posted on September 15, 2019 at 4:29 am

    Raising people on religion is no different then raising people on morals or manners.
    Calling it dogmatism to teach your kids about Judaism is like saying it’s dogmatism to teach your kids about being polite.

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  32. Garth Leach Posted on September 15, 2019 at 10:10 am

    this dogmatism you speak of, will it also include pushing homosexuality and gender dysphoria upon innocent children in public school? I thought not because you have an agenda and you hide behind atheism to spread your agenda of legalized pedophilia

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  33. Cj Senanayake Posted on September 15, 2019 at 12:22 pm

    Pain

    http://howtostopthecycleofpain.blogspot.sg/2009/05/why-do-you-feel-pain.html?m=1

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  34. Daniel K Posted on September 15, 2019 at 12:57 pm

    Probably because they are too young to understand the other stuff? I don't see how this helps your argument

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  35. disgusted1 Posted on September 15, 2019 at 12:59 pm

    Dogma was an awesome movie.

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  36. Derek Shirley Posted on September 15, 2019 at 1:47 pm

    You will get exactly what you want in the after life. . . said nobody in the afterlife . . .

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  37. Gustav Gnöttgen Posted on September 15, 2019 at 3:06 pm

    My parents taught me both sides of science because that's necessary to understand knowledge and progress.

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  38. leeeastwood Posted on September 15, 2019 at 4:02 pm

    random thought of the day. are cats ever dogmatic?

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  39. joe skys Posted on September 15, 2019 at 4:56 pm

    Thanks for the wisdom.

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  40. Chad Norris Posted on September 15, 2019 at 8:04 pm

    When society does its best to force you into their faith, but you don't really believe it, sometimes the best way to cope is just focus on the good parts, and ignore the reprehensible parts. Unfortunately, even then you might get badgered because you're not devoted enough.

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  41. TEB TheCommunist! Posted on September 16, 2019 at 12:20 am

    "If you call a kid a communist then you send them to a marxist school"

    NOW HOLD ON.

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  42. Val Sarff Posted on September 16, 2019 at 3:46 am

    Anyone who teaches their children the bullshit dogma of any religion is guilty of child abuse. Period. Its taken me over half a century to shake off that pestilence.

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  43. Cleo Fierro Posted on September 16, 2019 at 3:38 pm

    There is absolutely nothing good about Atheism. And by the way- CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW IMPEDING THE FREE EXERCISE OF RELIGION- THEREFORE: YES, RELIGION IN POLITICS AND THE PUBLIC SPHERE.

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  44. Gillian Moore Posted on September 16, 2019 at 3:50 pm

    Let me asked a question. Why worship a "God" who murdered billions of people and animals and then sent his son to the earth only to have him executed ? So much suffering yet millions of sheep worship him.

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  45. Vincent Setlale Posted on September 17, 2019 at 6:52 am

    As Christian I feel I should say, it is wrong for Christians to leave out Hell, while teaching kids or otherwise.

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  46. Michiel vd Vlies Posted on September 17, 2019 at 9:26 pm

    thats weird tell your kids its awesome to drive a bicycle but dont mention dangerous situations in traffic

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  47. Dani Boy Posted on September 18, 2019 at 12:46 am

    Awesome video! 👍

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  48. A A Q Posted on September 18, 2019 at 4:21 am

    My karma ran over your dogma.

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  49. Basteal Posted on September 18, 2019 at 2:43 pm

    Logical reasons why you shouldn't indoctrinate children are irrelevant to emotionally driven parents, relatives, teachers, church people, ect. The only chance this kids have is an eventual realization of what's been done to them.

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  50. toongrowner1 Posted on September 18, 2019 at 6:09 pm

    that is something that always confuses me about religious people. So you know there are parts in your religion which are bad and you absolutely don't agree with, may don't even believe in it at all. You made your own interpretation… soooo, why are you still consider yourself part of this religion? You admitting that you pretty much make your own stuff up, your own interpretation, so why are still trying to defend the thing you are not even 100% part of?
    As I say "as long you don't hurt anyone or yourself, belief what you want, but don't make your self a slave to religion."
    You can believe in something without religion

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  51. Paul Simon McCarthy Posted on September 18, 2019 at 7:57 pm

    There's nothing like a stream of impeccable reasoning and logic to calm me down after a hard day.

    The Guinness helps too.

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  52. legion1a Posted on September 19, 2019 at 4:50 pm

    cum omni alio deficiente, ludere mortuis

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  53. Skip Bellon Posted on September 19, 2019 at 9:26 pm

    The problems with only teaching the good bits are realized when the taught interact with those outside the closed circle of the teachings. Those families that are outside pick out good bits that the prior family left out because they were judged to be bad bits… and visa versa. So this closed circle of learning, as with all closed circles, leads to separation. But if religion be damned, then the separation will still occur… only under a different banner. For the problem is not false religion, but fearful mankind. If not segregated by religion, then by skin color. If skin color be damned, then segregate by geographical location. If that too be damned, then segregate by your local sports team. Segregation and discrimination are in our nature. Fearful response is our forte. Take away religion and you force humans to consult what ever is next on the list. Then to complete our circle of ignorance, we will fight over who has the best list.

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  54. AnduRo Posted on September 20, 2019 at 6:06 pm

    About the ”Jesus is going to save you from what”

    Tell them that Jesus is protecting you from the demons (that basically just ”cartoon villain” levels of bad) that are in hell , a place that even god cant control dont tell him god is omnipotent , tell him that he is a VERY VERY POWERFULL and omnibenevolent wizard Satan is the just that but omnimalevolent (”slightly more evil than cartoon villan”) , Heaven is a good place because god lives there and his power is at its peak , hell is bad because satan lives there and his power is at its peak there , and earth is the middle ground where both have almost ,if not equal power

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  55. eli goldman Posted on September 20, 2019 at 6:08 pm

    Jews never asked you to believe in their religion.

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  56. Meek Heart Posted on September 20, 2019 at 9:42 pm

    No you are so wrong! We can proudly teach Old and New Testament! Are you teaching the truth about Homosexuality and about what you call biblical genocide? When it is clear that God judged His own people by those same standards. You claim a 5 year old should not be called a Christian, but can be called a homosexual, thus you attempt to uphold the lie that homosexuality is wholesome and not at all damaging to mind, body and soul. Your cleverly disguised rhetoric is weak, in that you cannot converse on your own worldview stacked with historical merit or evidence. But you attempt to blindside your viewers, knowing full well that they do not read the Bible accounts for themselves. So safely in the religious text you remain.

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  57. Rick Kuhn Posted on September 22, 2019 at 11:58 am

    Atheism equals nihilism. You have no grounding for morality, just pure subjectivity
    When you condemn biblical morality: love your neighbor as yourself

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  58. Peter Oxley Music Posted on September 22, 2019 at 5:28 pm

    What makes you think the pentateuch condemns homosexuality?

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  59. Austin Martín Hernández Posted on September 22, 2019 at 8:28 pm

    Its interesting how schools today are bashing religion yet indoctrinating the kids like the Nazis were. Schools and especially universities today are not teaching people to think. In the UK you can get locked up for "hate speech" if others disagree with you and even though the US is glrofied for its "free speech", many Americans are trying to get similar laws passed.

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  60. No good Gamer Posted on September 22, 2019 at 8:29 pm

    end of the day just teaching the good parts is prob worst as it aint teaching them anything non religious till i die as nothin is worth all the wars it starts

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  61. F P Posted on September 23, 2019 at 12:20 am

    So let me understand your point! Do as you do and think as you do but you abject to others having the right to think and believe as they wish .why are you you concerned about what others believe,you should know better .A human being who goes about his own business without causing harm,loss or injury.YOU don't want for your kids certain things but presume to tell others ,what YOU consider appropriate! Stop being a hypocrite.

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  62. Tedfordshire Posted on September 23, 2019 at 11:59 am

    I went to a Church of England school. We got in trouble for refusing to recite the Lord's Prayer.

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  63. BirdValiant Posted on September 23, 2019 at 8:42 pm

    I'm totally with you in condemning religious indoctrination of minors, but I disagree with your reasoning why. It appears that you have committed the No True Scotsman fallacy by saying that religious parents should teach "the faith in its entirety". But who says what the "entirety" consists of? To say that there is only one "entirety" implies that there is some true form of the religion out there, and that congregants choose to follow corrupted imitations of the former.

    Considering that religions have evolved over sometimes thousands of years, and that they have taken different forms over those times, is it really valid to say that there was one true form during that time? Which one should be picked? Or, is it valid to say that the system of beliefs and practices that adherents hold are themselves "true religions"?

    Why can't a rejection of literal Hell be a legitimate belief? Can you really call such a rejection "censorship" and "misrepresenting the truth"? What truth? In reality, each religious faction believes that they have discovered the truest form of spirituality, and to each one, their particular set of acceptances and rejections IS the true form, IS the "faith in its entirety".

    It really seems that, even as an atheist, you have a Christian-fundamentalist-tinged view on religion. Consider, instead, the history of the Jewish Bible/Christian Old Testament (Tanakh). The idea that there is one coherent meaning throughout the text is a relatively modern, primarily Christian one. But, if you actually go through the texts, you will be faced with the conclusion that there are actually dozens of different authors, dozens of different viewpoints, dozens of different beliefs systems. Many authors added to earlier works, and there is much redaction, but many opposing views are left intact.

    For example, the Deuteronomistic history is very pro-temple and pro-monarchy, but others are critical. Some have strict interpretations of the Jewish Law/Halakha, while others argue that they are not essential. Some have a rigid idea of divine justice, while others like Job reject it. Much of the Tanakh has a linear view of history with Yahweh being the intervening and justice-giving god of history, while Kohelet/Ecclesiastes has a much more cyclical view of history, with an existentialist-like view of the meaningless of human life. In Second-Temple Judaism, there was a conflict between modernizing/syncretizing Hellenistic Jews, and traditionalists. Early Christianity is characterized by a constellation of differing views which slowly consolidated. Some books were considered divinely inspired, some less so, and some heretical.

     In sum, we need to be careful in saying that we need to teach a religion "in its entirety" because that implies that there is some true "entirety". To do that is to implicitly accept that one set of beliefs is more valid than another when, in reality, each one of them are equally valid religious belief systems in and of themselves.

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  64. Kyle Spotted Bear Posted on September 23, 2019 at 11:23 pm

    They're advertising PureFlix on these skeptic videos. Oof

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  65. M 1 Posted on September 25, 2019 at 6:57 am

    The best way to teach something to a child is to put love first. Then they can understand what you wanted to say.

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  66. ⦖POLΛR BΞΛR⦕ Posted on September 26, 2019 at 10:10 am

    It's ironic that you think atheism isn't also dogma when I can guarantee you 90% of your beliefs came from authority everyone's beliefs do (well I guess not if you don't believe in reality).
    You've never seen the beginning of the universe or really anything before you were born, everything you believe about the past is dogma.

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  67. Kamaldeen Nazeer Posted on September 26, 2019 at 8:45 pm

    Who disliked mad guys?

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  68. Canceled Artist Posted on September 27, 2019 at 8:46 pm

    I like the points made but to a lot of people, their religion is not an institution it’s a life style and the absolute truth. They have no choice but to lie to “save” their loved ones.
    Also proving that their god is an ass won’t do much, they’ll still be in fear

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  69. Valters Rutulis Posted on September 28, 2019 at 7:21 am

    I used to go to a dogmatic school who contradicted themselves, while they taught us about God like he was real they contradicted themselves by teaching science and excepting other religions

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  70. slodkalili Posted on September 28, 2019 at 11:22 am

    I never liked going to church, but I always believed in god. Then I realized I shouldn't be sent to hell for not wanting to listen to some old guy read out the same book every week for the rest of my life.

    From there I went through a cycle of trying to figure out the reasoning but any questioning ended in me getting screamed at. Since nobody else would explain it I tried my best to find something that wasn't there. At some point I no longer could justify following any god, and from there I moved on to trying to find a reason to believe any god exists, let alone the "true" god.

    Most of this was centered around christianity and I was forced to go to church even when I doubted. It took years of making myself a public embarassment in the church and locking my door to finally be allowed the privalage of not attending a cult meeting that threatened me to eternal suffering if I didn't play along.

    I rememeber specifically asking my mom why I should go when I don't believe. First I was told I would change my mind. Next that I was baptized so it's an obligation. Then it was to meet god (presumably so he doesn't decide to torture me for all eternity). And when none of those worked she resorted to emotional manipulation "Won't you go for me?" "I'd like to go together".

    My mom isn't actually a bad person, despite how this sounds. She's just in too deep.

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  71. Yeetus Feetus Posted on September 28, 2019 at 5:14 pm

    I feel way better now that I dont believe in a god. I can do anything now without feeling bad!

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  72. Vaporwave Vocap Posted on September 28, 2019 at 5:58 pm

    Statism is a form of dogma just as horrific as religion, you don't support state recognition of religion? Good! We shouldn't support state recognition of anything. We shouldn't support the state.

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  73. Antis14CZ Posted on September 28, 2019 at 8:02 pm

    —"I'm only teaching my children the good bits."
    —"Great, so you're lying to them about reality AND religion."

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  74. Yahweh Posted on September 29, 2019 at 3:14 am

    I’m not real damnit

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  75. Lord Bhunivelze Posted on September 29, 2019 at 5:31 am

    Hell is a convention from the Vatican, every soul Taken in The Deluge was purified, after Christ's death the soul was imortal and saved, actually we are already saved. If you ask me about the fountains i'm gonna say, search in Tora, or if you are Lucky, in the separated version of all those books in the "Holy Bible".

    As an amateur teologist i can that about every assumption made about the scriptures, literal conclusions from a gnostic or dogmatic sidd are both equally bad. Those scriptures are metaphorical in great part.

    Sorry for my broken english, i'm still studying this language.

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  76. Braquiochonc vU Posted on September 29, 2019 at 5:28 pm

    I went to a catholic school. The teachers in that school really liked to sugar-coat their religion classes and as a result almost all of my classmates became atheists/agnostics.

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  77. jet the gamer Posted on September 29, 2019 at 8:09 pm

    When I was little, I wondered if Jews believed in hell. I asked my mom, and she said she didn't know. On Sunday, at Hebrew school, I asked the Rabbi, and he said no. Because of that, I didn't believe in hell. If he had said yes, I would have believed in it. I find it strange now how I didn't believe something like that until I was told to believe it. I've always been curious, and had many questions about religion, and one day, I was unsatisfied with the answers. When I was 12 I decided that I didn't believe in Judaism anymore, and after doing some research, I found out the correct term for myself is an agnostic atheist.

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  78. Agnostic Atheist Posted on September 29, 2019 at 10:53 pm

    I agree…..

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  79. bellowingsilence Posted on September 30, 2019 at 9:03 am

    I have to fundamentally disagree with this. I think you’re making a mistake in insisting that children will go out and seek the “full truth” of a religion because, well, what if I’m teaching my children that those other things aren’t true? What if I’m not teaching my children to view their religion as so literally “true” in the first place? What if I teach them that they really are just stories, but that this is part of our culture, and that fundamentally we only believe in the higher power of a God (or they may choose to not do so when they are older) and the overall teachings of Jesus, which are echoed in teachings of so many other cultures. And what if I’m teaching my children to question even these stories and other related stories? My children will also be made quite familiar with other forms of mythology and the value and beauty held in other tales, but I won’t expect them to go around raping people because Zeus did it when they look into it on their own. I’m seeing a real death of spirituality in the atheist community these days, and it makes me sad. It really didn’t used to be like this. I think there’s a certain connection with the “collective unconscious,” as Carl Jung described it, which many are now cutting themselves and seeking to block children off from, and I don’t think it’s a good thing.

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  80. SARiKAiDEN Music Posted on September 30, 2019 at 6:14 pm

    The thing that gets me, and I see people do it and deny that they do it all the time, is that they will follow Certain things in the bible, and ignore others. "The Bible says being gay is a sin"…Yes, it does…But it also says getting a divorce is a sin, maybe you should tell that to your ex-husband. It says eating pork is a sin, so maybe you should go get on your knees and beg all the pigs in the world for mercy. Uh Oh, looks like your shirt and your pants are not made out of the same fabric, yeah that's a big no no too. Oh and the bible approves of slavery, but we as a society all agree (I hope) that slavery is bad.

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  81. Alkeryn Posted on September 30, 2019 at 11:39 pm

    Who are you to decide which are the good and bad part if you get your morality from that book huh

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  82. ninjxxitty Posted on October 1, 2019 at 1:27 pm

    every baptist left the chat

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  83. The Youtoube boi Posted on October 1, 2019 at 4:03 pm

    Hey guys! I live in Greece you see. Here everyone is Christian and you are right the parents demonize all other religions homosexuality and atheisim. I never believed in our saviour and lord JEASUS. Ever since i was born i thought religion was like a thing we did for fun like santa or somthing. But after i was 5 i started getting bored of going to church an i asked my mom if i could stay home today. What followed was a 20 minute lecture.
    Okay i was speaking to one of my friends and i decided to tell him that im atheist. He was buffled and
    Was like " what?? Why? You dont believe in jeasus" i asked him if he had ever questioned religion or searched about the bible. His respond still makes me mad. " Why would i need to. I have faith" . Also a child here in Greece cant be named legally without a seramonyv wich i don t know the name of in English. I dont think at least. There are lots i wanna talk about regarding this matter but the only place i can is the internet since everyone here is religious. I know 2 atheist. Btw just for good measure i got 16 in religion in school and it dropped my grade to 18.3 when it could have been 18.9

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  84. william nebe Posted on October 1, 2019 at 7:03 pm

    I decided to worship the nordic gods
    Odin and thor specifically
    Now you would think it is becuase im only familiar with them but no
    Odin is the all father and i ask that i be like his spear , true and fatal
    Thor the god of blacksmiths , to me resembles improvement and hard work
    But all of this has a different goal , i use it as motivation in my boxing , i have to prove myself to go to valhala

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  85. private private Posted on October 2, 2019 at 2:06 am

    cosmic skeptic you are cool

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  86. Daney Alanes Posted on October 2, 2019 at 1:27 pm

    men, its good hearing someone actually talking about it, not in a rant, or a overacting anger, just talking, great video

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  87. I didn't know what my name should be Posted on October 4, 2019 at 7:45 pm

    What about religions where the god can't choose wether a person will be saved from hell, but tries to save everyone?

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  88. James Whitman Posted on October 5, 2019 at 12:55 pm

    Everyone should know all of the Bible stories, and if they are intelligent enough to question it they need to be told not to take it literally, and should be showed how to interpret the Bible to see the narrative truth instilled in the stories themselves. This means that those who are not smart enough to understand the Bible will still follow it's teachings, and those who are intellectual don't rebel against the book and find themselves rebelling against the natural universe and sanity at the same time. Atheists tend to have this notion ( as does 90% of the population) that everyone is the same, and like them, but with varying degrees of education and experience. This is not true. People are fundamentally different based on their genetic attributes.The Bible is the vehicle in which our culture and society is carried, and you can jump out at your own risk, but I would fight tooth and nail that you don't drag everyone else out with you.

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  89. Cristina Arguedas Posted on October 5, 2019 at 3:52 pm

    This hapend to me, but a little diferent, hell was always there, but the death, warfare, blood sheath in the first testament, the nature of god, etc.

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  90. Jonathan Locke Posted on October 13, 2019 at 4:48 am

    knock knock
    Who's there?
    Jesus Christ, let me in.
    Why should I let you in?
    I want to save you.
    Save me from what?
    From what I'll do to you if you don't let me in.

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  91. Alien Daydreamer Posted on October 13, 2019 at 10:21 pm

    Finally someone said it!

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  92. Danu Garbarino Posted on October 23, 2019 at 2:46 pm

    This is something I'm struggling with at the moment. My fiance is on the path to become am Orthodox Catholic and I'm personally struggling with my faith. I feel like I do believe but then there is part of me that feels like I don't. And we're having a baby in about 6 weeks. I don't plan on teaching them much about Christianity or any religion. But my fiance would like to raise them Christian. So we agreed that bringing them to church if both of us went to church would be good enough until they are older. Once they're older and if they are curious about Orthodoxy or Protestants or Buddhism or Islam them we would help them research it. Or if they are curious or think they don't believe then I'd help there because I was atheist for most of my life. I wouldn't want to teach them about the bad parts when they are very little. That happened to me and I was terrified and lied telling people I was Christian only because I was scared I'd gp to hell if I didn't believe. I don't want that for them. I want them to believe or not because it's a choice they made themselves.

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  93. Josh Sen Posted on October 25, 2019 at 1:03 pm

    You mean there are also the bad bits? I thought religion is suppose to teach good all the way…..

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  94. Anna Karenina Posted on October 26, 2019 at 6:41 pm

    Well done. Saving this for when needed…

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  95. jeffrey Canning Posted on November 19, 2019 at 8:19 pm

    I married an Italian woman. Gorgeous soul. Some of her old relatives waffle on about Mussolini and how good he was. They cite facts like “ He made the trains run on time…”

    They choose the good bits and forget he cost the lives of goodness knows how many…

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  96. Guaranga Picante Posted on November 26, 2019 at 2:40 pm

    Fuck humanity

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  97. Justyn H Posted on January 11, 2020 at 3:29 am

    If you knocked in my door and said im hear to save you, i would say "come in i need saving from some cold chicken noodle soup"

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