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Episode 72  From Atheist to ex-atheist  Barbara Harris Whitfield on We Don’t Die Radio Show

>>MUSIC PLAYING Sandra: Welcome to another episode of We Don’t
Die, where my goal is to give you evidence that, although our bodies will disappear,
we survive physical death. I’m your host, Sandra Champlain, author of the international
best-seller We Don’t Die, A Skeptic’s Discovery of Life After Death. Today, on the show I
am thrilled to introduce you to Barbara Harris-Whitfield. She is a therapist, workshop presenter, respiratory
and massage therapist, and also had a near-death experience. She was the key subject in Dr.
Ken Ring’s groundbreaking book on the near-death experience called Heading Towards Omega. Barbara
did research at the University of Connecticut Medical School for years on the experiences
with psychiatric professor Bruce Greyson. She’s told her story on major TV shows, including
Larry King Live, Good Morning America, as well as Oprah to name just a few. Recently,
she returned from Findhorn in Scotland as she was a presenter at the We Don’t Die Conference.
Barbara is the author of many books, including Spiritual Awakening, Final Passage, and The
Natural Soul. I know there’s so much more she is going to tell us, so welcome to We
Don’t Die Barbara Harris-Whitfield. Barbara: Thank you Sandra, I appreciate you
asking me to be on and I am thrilled about the next hour. Sandra: I’m thrilled too. I got introduced
to Barbara by one of our listeners, so thank you very much; you know who you are. She directed
me to a brilliant video that Barbara has on Youtube and she explains her near-death experience
and more, which I’ll connect to you in this. I’ve done enough talking, so Barbara; why
don’t you tell us about you? Where you’re living and maybe just a bit about your past
that brought you up to where you are. Barbara: Yeah, yeah; we were in Leanna, Georgia
and my husband is an M.D. As well as a best-selling author. He wrote Healing the Child Within.
He and I have a practice together where we do individual, group and marriage counseling
for adults that were repeatedly traumatized as children. It’s a very rewarding field and
anybody who is doing psychotherapy with a trauma-base is getting to the roots of the
healing that we need; certainly, I needed that kind of healing. I came from a very dysfunctional
childhood and grew up very numb and as an atheist, because I remember back then thinking
that there can’t be a god because god wouldn’t let children be tormented the way that I was. Sandra: Makes sense. Barbara: Lo and behold, at the age of 32,
there I was in the hands of god. Sandra: Say more about that. Barbara: Okay; yeah. Sandra: Let me just go back a bit and acknowledge
and commend you on what you and your husband are doing. Just from my own person; things
that happen when we are young impact the rest of our lives. If you can get to the root of
that, then you can set people free to who they’re meant to be. So, thanks for that. Barbara: Yeah, and it was a very quick awakening.
At the age of 32, I didn’t believe in anything and yet I had five a half hours of back surgery
and – Sandra: Ouch. Barbara: Yeah, and I woke up in a striker-frame
circular bed, which is like a Ferris wheel for one person. It’s two big chrome hoops
and there’s a stretcher in the middle and I was suspended in that bed for over a month
and from there I was in a full-body cast for seven months. Sandra: Wow. Barbara: It’s a very awesome way to wake up
in a bed like that; it stops you from moving. It moves you three times a day. They’d rotate
me up onto my face to air out my lungs and back. Anyways. About two days later, after
surgery, I began to die. My blood volume dropped low and my body swelled up. I remember them
coming in and trying to do all this; hanging bottles and tubes around me. This was before
I became a respiratory therapist, so I didn’t know what was going on. They were doing life-saving
procedures on me. I remember screaming leave me alone, let me die because I didn’t want
to keep living. I was in pain for two years and on lots of Valium and Percosets and that’s
all they did for me for many years, just writing more prescriptions and it caused me to become
so numb that I wasn’t a wife anymore. I had three young kids, yet couldn’t be a mother.
I was a vegetable on all of these drugs. If I was going to die, I really wanted to. I
remember the mindset I had was get away and let me die. Sandra: Right. Barbara: The next thing I knew, I was out
in the corridor and up near the ceiling. I didn’t know I was near the ceiling until I
looked into the PA speaker that I knew was mounted up in the ceiling. Then, I knew something
strange was going on. I went into the room and looked down at the circular bed [I was
in] and saw my own body. Sandra: Wow. Barbara: I had no problem with it at all.
I was totally peaceful, probably more peaceful than I had ever been in my life. I looked
at her and remember feeling myself chuckle because she looked funny with the tape wrapped
around her and with a tube in her throat. Next thing I knew, I was in total blackness
and as I moved through the blackness, I felt this lush warmth pull me in and it ended up
being my grandmother. My grandmother had been dead for 14 years and I had never once thought
of her existing beyond her death. She was holding me and together we re-experienced
all of the 19 years that we were together

Jean Kelley



  1. SignsAllAround Posted on November 15, 2015 at 11:29 am

    i hesitate to post this comment b/c there's so much good stuff in this conversation. but i can't not. doing great, so interesting, up to about minute 35:00, when barbara briefly relates her fearful reaction to the fish guy at the market — because his name is muhammed. after the experiences she's had that apparently lead to great spiritual awakening?? that fear is the exact opposite of spiritual awakening, it's just ignorant, and totally surprised me. does this mean her scope is limited to white middle class america? (which in my experience tends to describe the demographic of the 'new age' scene, a scene i'm generally quite fond of.) she must be a delightful person — we all have blind spots after all — but this just bummed me out.
    muhammend, btw, sounds like a lovely person. perhaps he sensed her uncertainty and that's why he came around the counter to begin with; in which case, that's pretty evolved of him.

  2. Gloria J Posted on January 24, 2016 at 1:58 am

    Very enlightening. Thank you.

  3. Debra Wake Posted on May 25, 2016 at 5:36 am

    please do keep sharing! this was a truly amazing and inspiring poscast. I learned so much that I feel I need to listen again. The part about difficult childhoods really resonated with me in a profound way, is this one of the reasons why my heart, soul and spirit is drawn to being so open? I can't quite explain the spiritual path I'm walking but I love it and I love the wonderful experiences and opportunities to grow that come my way when I least expect it, like this podcast it just gave me such a boost! Sending prayers for success and lots of love your way 💛

  4. Silver Girl Posted on August 22, 2017 at 5:16 am

    Amazing testimony

  5. Lee Kaster Posted on October 16, 2017 at 6:47 am

    Sandra, your program is beyond words! What a gift you are giving to humanity! Thank You!

  6. Nicole Scarapicchia Posted on November 24, 2017 at 10:27 pm

    I don't agree that grieving is being selfish, but I do love her interview.

  7. Carol Monteverde Posted on September 6, 2018 at 7:15 pm

    When we lose someone, we do go through a process of grief. It is different for each of us, and the amount of grief depends on the relationship we had with the one we lost. I lost my mother a year ago, and I am still grieving for her, as I will most likely always grieve for her. Also, I have been taking anti-depressants for years, and didn't just decide to start taking them when my mother died. I take them due to another condition I have. Some people do go into a depression after a loved one dies. It's not bad to seek help for that.

  8. Jack Henshaw Posted on November 2, 2018 at 7:48 pm

    yes you have made a difference.many tanks.

  9. Trisha Emry Posted on November 8, 2018 at 1:20 am

    Beautiful THANKYOU, both of you ! For this , it heald me in many ways ! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

  10. razony Posted on November 17, 2018 at 1:36 pm

    I really like that…"Depression" is being still/frozen. No movement. "Grieving"/Sadness has movement. Know somebody who is depressed? Get them moving. Take them for a walk. DO SOMETHING, anything! Great show!

  11. Barbara Baker Posted on November 23, 2018 at 1:44 pm

    I love your show!

  12. Jacqui Blackburn Posted on December 21, 2018 at 5:11 am

    Incredible, I have experienced the other side since 12. I’m now 47 and know with every part of my heart and soul we NEVER DIE ! I’m ready to come out soon 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼♥️♥️

  13. Darlene Klonk Posted on December 29, 2018 at 7:05 pm

    very interesting

  14. Laura Hollenika Posted on February 6, 2019 at 1:40 pm

    Sandra you are AWESOME! I love your show! = – )

  15. Linda Lai Posted on June 14, 2019 at 12:15 am

    I don't care who is a best selling author or any credentials. I want to hear the truth about the afterlife; there are too many different stories.

  16. Linda Lai Posted on June 14, 2019 at 12:50 am

    I don't care what the other person has been thru; including my mother who beat me when I was young. That's no justification and I believe she still had to account for her 'sins'. I'm tired of all this 'understanding' to condone horrendous acts towards others.

  17. sunny sim Posted on August 26, 2019 at 8:42 pm

    Yes, because Mohammed would sell fish as they don't value all life. I do, however relate to many other things, including doing my part for the planet. Everyone should do the same. Sorry to say this, but Sandra's voice is irritating.

  18. Paul Bird Posted on October 30, 2019 at 3:05 pm

    Thank you ❤️