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Bishop Barron on the Persecution of Christians


[Music] well the 20th century was the worst century for Christian martyrs what I mean is there were more Christian martyrs in the 20th century than in all the previous 19th centuries combined we think of you know maybe the early days are the time of martyrs but the 20th century by far had more Christian martyrs than any other and the sad news to me is the 21st century seems to be continuing this trend there’s no question but that Christianity is the most aggressed and persecuted religion in the planet on the planet today and to speak bluntly about it to some degree Buddhists and Hindus attack Christians but in Asia in Africa especially in the Middle East its militant forms of Islam that are aggressing Christians the most recent examples you know in burkina faso very recently and in sri lanka so radical islamist attacking and killing christians now i’m saying all this kind of bluntly because i think there’s a tendency especially in the West especially among the cultural elite to downplay the properly religious dimension of this problem it was almost comical the way in the wake of a Sri Lankan bombings that both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama referred to the victims as Easter worshippers strange phrase in itself but though they couldn’t bring themselves to use the word Christian these were Christians being attacked precisely for their religion indeed on Easter Sunday the holiest day of the Christian year and they were being attacked precisely for their faith now you know part of this problem is the result of what they call the secularization hypothesis this goes back to the 19th century at least people like Colt and Nietzsche and and Marx and many others the view namely that you know religion is fading away religions it’s this old Dino obsession of primitive people and it’s fading away and so religion is never what’s really going on religion look at Marx you know was a super structural sort of cover for what’s really going on so when something like anti-christian violence happens people tend to read it not religiously but they read it as well it’s part as an economic matter it’s a political matter it’s because people you know are repressed they’re resentful etc etc and and read anything in most Western you know journals and newspapers and and high commentary you’ll find precisely that sort of secularization hypothesis but you know if I can invoke a theologian I rarely agree with but he’s right and this is Hans küng Hans küng has argued for years that there will be no peace among the nations until there’s peace among the religions well that’s right it seems to me and if you ignore the religious dimension or you marginalize it then we’re not gonna find peace among the nations well to continue in that line how do you find some peace among the religions is there some sort of common ground that we can appeal to now I know prima facie a it looks that as though that’s not the case to take our our you know most vivid example now of Islamic and Christian you know warfare you know aren’t they just to separate revelational systems so so one claims this revelation the other claims that revelation they both say we’re absolutely right and there’s no way we can find common ground well I wonder if I can go back to a place in history that I often go back to namely the 13th century and when my hero Thomas Aquinas was operating Thomas Aquinas of course used a lot of biblical sources he used the the Church Fathers to a great extent he used pagan thinkers like like Cicero and Aristotle and many others but what I find fascinating is Thomas Aquinas was very liberal in his use of Islamic sources people like a very ways and Hassan have a Sieber on and and al-farabi many others in fact Thomas Aquinas is metaphysics and theology is unthinkable apart from these Islamic sources many of his key metaphysical themes come from these Islamic sources Thomas found at a time when Christianity and Islam were indeed in conflict he found intellectually common ground precisely in reason now go from the 13th century now to our time and I know it’s a little bit dangerous even to bring this up but the famous speech that Pope Benedict the 16th gave it Regensburg and you know from his admittedly awkward use of a historical analogy he got into a lot of trouble but the central theme of that speech was and is very important because it’s the point I’m making right now namely appealing to the logos tradition within Christianity and implicitly in Islam we can find something like a common ground when Christians say that Jesus is the incarnation of the law Gosse of God that opens the door to the use of Reason the use of logic and see logic allows us then to find points of contact with any and all other systems of thought here’s the paradox it’s become a beautiful paradox that the more we stress Jesus the incarnation of the law goes the more room we have for a rational dialogue with other points of view and indeed other religions what Benedict put his finger on it and I’m trying to put my finger on in a more minor key is that it’s the waning of the philosophical tradition within Islam that has led to difficulties the very fact that of varies Avicenna Emma C Brown those figures are more marginalized within Islam that’s allowed a very voluntaristic and positivistic form of Islam to emerge that doesn’t have room for this more rational mode of conversation I think if we look back to the 13th century and see it as a kind of distant mirror we can actually find a way forward not the secularization hypothesis by which yellow religion is that’s not important and that’s not what’s really going on no it is what’s really going on we really are dealing with with religious forms of aggression but can we find a path forward and I think the answer is yes precisely by appealing to this element within the Christian theological tradition the path of law goes to find a path similar to the one found by Thomas Aquinas as he dialogue with the Islam of his own time perhaps I give the last word to a prophet revered by both a Christianity and Islam namely the prophet Isaiah who said quite simply come let us reason together [Music]

Jean Kelley

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100 COMMENTS

  1. Buck Farmer Posted on May 31, 2019 at 1:48 am

    While it is a great tragedy that so many Christians have died for their faith in the 20th C. (and continue to do so today), it is obstinately historically illiterate to say that today is the time of Christian martyrs compared to the pre-Edict of Milan Roman Empire. At that time nearly 100% of Christians lived under a state and in a society that vacillated between mild persecution and mass killing.

    Each death in the 20th C. is an evil, but by and large Christians live in tolerant and accommodating societies that were largely shaped by our thinking and our customs. Most Christians live among co-religionists, and are not in the desperate straits faced by Christians in the Middle East or India for example.

    The Angelic Doctor would be disappointed by this sophistical elision of proper reasoning about history.

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  2. Eng Hock chew Posted on May 31, 2019 at 2:07 am

    Sometimes it will be good to ask a more fundamental question: Why these religions attack Christians? Is there something we have done now or in the past that has caused these rage, i.e. self reflection for us Christians are needed. of course, i can't deny that sometimes people of other faiths simply don't like Christians/Christianity… but why? Is it because Christians teachings are more convincing, if yes, then why these people do not want to embrace Christianity?

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  3. Eng Hock chew Posted on May 31, 2019 at 2:11 am

    Sometimes it will be good to ask a more fundamental question: Why these religions attack Christians? Is there something we have done now or in the past that has caused these rage, i.e. self reflection for us Christians are needed. of course, i can't deny that sometimes people of other faiths simply don't like Christians/Christianity… but why? Is it because Christians teachings are more convincing, if yes, then why these people do not want to embrace Christianity?

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  4. Eng Hock chew Posted on May 31, 2019 at 2:22 am

    Many choose not to 'reason' because they do not have the intellectual to 'reason' in religions, maybe reason disabled them to 'feel their religions… we can't deny many choose to believe in a particular faith base not simply reason, but 'feeling' the feeling of being accepted in a community of this particular religion, the feeling of being a family heritage or family tradition/ culture, the feeling of being spiritual/relax/calm in a particular tradition in the way this particular faith pray, for instance how this religion chant/ recite sacred text or scripture…etc. and most love to stay in religions base on the above reasons, reasoning of religions and faiths would be least in their minds, hence when a Christian want to engage in dialogue/conversation with other Christians of other Christian denomination or of another religions would be tough and I must also say difficult…simply because we operate/ anchor differently in the faith/religious experience.

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  5. Rock Zalt Posted on May 31, 2019 at 2:41 am

    I suspect when it comes to our martyrdom, it's failing to factor in population growth. It's like the argument saying people are basically good. It breaks down when you look at population. Obviously since people are basically good then our cities as they have grown we must be becoming more good. It's more complex and doesn't work that way.

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  6. James Watrous Posted on May 31, 2019 at 2:50 am

    Good talk Bishop Barron. It's nice to know you agree with Hans Kung on something. I have mixed feelings about Kung, but some of his older work, such as ON BEING A CHRISTIAN and DOES GOD EXIST? AN ANSWER FOR TODAY, are quite good.

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  7. Shmuel Malkin Posted on May 31, 2019 at 2:50 am

    I don't get being offended by "Easter worshipers". It's not like there are non-christian Easter worshipers. This strikes me as the Christian equivalent of calling out "microaggressions". Everybody gets triggered now I guess.

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  8. Matt Stengel Posted on May 31, 2019 at 3:11 am

    #logosrising

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  9. Jack F Posted on May 31, 2019 at 3:30 am

    You were in my prayers at Adoration tonight, Bishop Barron (as always).

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  10. Pololo Posted on May 31, 2019 at 4:18 am

    Islam is the enemy of humanity.

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  11. Benjamin Flynn Posted on May 31, 2019 at 4:25 am

    Honestly, “reasoning together” with Islamists as an avenue to peace won’t happen unless we Catholics pray and do penance on their behalf.

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  12. Fun Horus Die Posted on May 31, 2019 at 5:24 am

    I have trouble imagining that Aristotle's greek reason/logos is the commonality point. I believe you're trying to triangulate from the Philosopher's position, which is, above all religion. This reminds me of when the Jews tried to reason than Moses was the commonality point, as if Islam would ever agree to that. I am also disappointed that you have characterized Christianity as the victim. I am disappointed that you used the image of our lord to play the victim. I am disappointed that you used the word truth so many times to advance what looks like shallow tribalism. I am disappointed that Pope Francis has decided to not let the Sri Lankan tragedy/massacre, go. I am embarrassed to have an association with Our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Drop the dark age philosophers.
    Straighten up and fly right.
    Stop pretending to be our lord, father.
    Sri Lanka's a backwater hellhole.
    I would type more, but i don't have anything good to say.
    God help us.

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  13. Jeremy Esser Posted on May 31, 2019 at 6:32 am

    I love your content Bishop Barron. I'm not Catholic, but I sure do respect and appreciate your hard work and intelligence (and faith) on these matters. Helps a lot of us out in this day that, like you said, seems hyper secularized. It has its place but I can definitely go too far…

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  14. Kurt Gödel Posted on May 31, 2019 at 6:34 am

    Hans Kung? Really? Wasn’t there any more edifying example to choose from?

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  15. Crys S Posted on May 31, 2019 at 7:08 am

    I am a huge fan from the Middle East. However, I’m not sure how I feel about this video as a catholic born and raised in the Middle East myself. Although I appreciate and am grateful for the intentions behind everything you’re saying, and agree that there is obviously a way forward, I can’t say that what you’re saying makes a lot of sense to me from where I stand, in the middle of the conflict.

    Of course religion has a lot to do with what is going on over here. I am Lebanese and we have had a brutal religious civil war for 20+ years, followed by all sorts of forms of religious violence since the war ended, including terrorism and others.

    But to say this is primarily a religious issue is simply as absurd as Bill Maher saying that religion causes most wars. Religious differences were never a problem here, before other factors (western intervention, conflicts next door, among others) gave political leaders on a national, regional, and international scale reason to favor destabilization. Muslims and Christians lived together pretty well before international political players decided to take over lands in the area, causing refugees to attempt to take over our own land in order to fight back, and leading to regional coalitions and divisive political stances. I don’t want to get into it, and I’m in no way anti-western in my own views. But from over here, and pretty much the entire world, we are all incredibly aware of how much the west has caused the religious conflict of past couple of decades here (even if we are, like I am, pro-west).

    Here, Religion is a tool used for conflict about other things (land, resources, fuel, whatever). Sure, the foot soldiers are brainwashed into thinking they are doing something for God. But the truth is that they have not been allowed to flourish, they have not been encouraged to know the more high-brow and less violent versions of their faith because it’s really not in the interests of the political establishment here or abroad.

    I think interfaith dialogue is super important and we should encourage peace among religions. But in order to do that we would need to collectively recognize that the biggest reason that there is no peace among us is that our ideological differences have been emphasized by forces that need war economically (be it to secure resources or to sell the enormous amounts of weapons they produce, upon which their economy is ultimately entirely dependent). Those forces are not one-sided. It applies to Russia as much as the USA, to Iran as much as Saudi Arabia and the UK. One way or another, the superpowers are excellent at using anything they can to do their thing, and admittedly religion (particularly Islam) is an excellent tool.

    That said, it’s important to note that during the civil war here in Lebanon, the militant Christians were really not much better than the Muslims today (even though they were very well educated). Their symbol was a cross that was broken from the bottom to resemble a sword, they used to collect the ears of their victims in jars (some of them still have their collections), and took part in torture techniques that may put modern-day ISIS beheadings to shame.

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  16. Nym GRACE Posted on May 31, 2019 at 8:37 am

    As a Sri Lankan “Easter Worshipper”, I am glad Hilary is not POTUS. I never liked Abortion Obama either.

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  17. Szymon Stelter Posted on May 31, 2019 at 8:47 am

    I like the idea of seeing the way forward on the path of Logos. But what about the path of Love? Seems like the two popes, BXVI and Francis, propose different routes. It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on this.

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  18. AlexByxor Posted on May 31, 2019 at 8:49 am

    Thanks Barron for speaking out against this form of Newspeak. I went off the rails about this when it first came out, and the denial of Christianity is something that both the media and radical muslims are complicit in.

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  19. Bluewren Reilly Posted on May 31, 2019 at 8:54 am

    I wondered when bishop Barron would acquiesce to the leanings of
    Pope Francis. Remember Pope Francis pocketing the crucifix in the presence of the Imam(Islam finds the cross offensive,)and the Pope kneeling on the ground kissing the Imam's feet.
    Even as an expression of Christian humility that I think is a tad extreme. However, the temptation in the face of a Godless modern Society ruled by Psychology and Liberals, the idea of joining the two largest religions in the world into one is tempting for the little men leading those religions. However, oil and water don't mix very well. Live in peace with Islam they cannot even live in peace with each other.

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  20. Raymond Martin Posted on May 31, 2019 at 10:05 am

    Another great video. Always a pleasure to listen and ponder. Typically very optimistic and rational with good doses of Historical Theology to back up. My only critique? is a dark one; that both Islam (that worships the One True and Everlasting God the Father) and Christianity continue to engage in civil war for the very soul of their respective religions. That Pope Francis is right to warn and remind people that ISIs is essentially Diabolical and that men of Violence whilst stating their peaceful ends are not peaceful and do not serve God at all. In essence both Muslim and Christian are constantly at war against the Devil and that monsters influence within their respective traditions. History, unlike the supposed hopes of the Enlightenment and its affects on our morality today shows us that conflict and war and death are a part of humanity albeit a horrible part. The Persecution of Christians is even according to the Gospels Good News inevitable.

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  21. Rob K Posted on May 31, 2019 at 10:34 am

    First I want to stress that I love your channel and your podcast. BUT
    Obama and Clinton are both Christians. I think the scruples over the use of “Easter Worshippers” is a little pedantic. They were probably both also worshipping on Easter.

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  22. Rob K Posted on May 31, 2019 at 10:34 am

    Otherwise I agree with this video and think it’s important.

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  23. nameunselected Posted on May 31, 2019 at 10:45 am

    Dogma is rather dangerous at its extremes. As we all know quite unfortunately.
    The philosophy of religion is the dialogue we should have so as to not attack the patron of a certain faith but rather deflect ideas

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  24. rstevewarmorycom Posted on May 31, 2019 at 12:20 pm

    Aquinas tortured heretics. Just like muslims. Don't go where they hate you and kill you. Dumbasses. As stupid as right-wing capitalists sneaking into N. Korea to proselytize. Dumb, they wind up in prison.

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  25. Jonney Silver Posted on May 31, 2019 at 12:48 pm

    Well that's because there is more Christians in the world now than ever before.
    There was more Jewish martyrs in the 20th century than all Jewish martyrs before combined!
    How surprising!

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  26. J de O Posted on May 31, 2019 at 12:51 pm

    Bishop Barron, I would further argue that the West also turned to the voluntaristic and positivistic view of christianity in the wake of Ockham and the received view of his work by his immediate followers. This created a split in Christianity between emphasizing the will or reason of God to some varying degrees (thomists, misunderstood Thomas and turn God slowly into a Deist, while the above mentioned voluntarist line finds expression in Luther and many christians (and catholic) mindsets today.

    The church’s teaching, however, remains consistent: we are to follow God’s will (for we cannot directly know his mind in this life), and we follow His will precisely because it is the will of our wonderful, wise God.

    What say you?

    Ps. Thank you for all you do…

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  27. Jonney Silver Posted on May 31, 2019 at 12:53 pm

    That's wrong, per capita Christians are way less persecuted than other religions like Jews or Sikhs or Izidis or Bahais or Zoroastrians etc. etc.

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  28. Roulette Abacus Posted on May 31, 2019 at 12:54 pm

    https://youtu.be/4IWhFtgKHdc

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  29. Pololo Posted on May 31, 2019 at 1:05 pm

    Obama was the most anti-Christian and anti-Israel president of our times. https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/273643/americas-most-anti-christian-president-david-horowitz

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  30. Jonney Silver Posted on May 31, 2019 at 1:11 pm

    You are barking down the wrong tree Bishop.
    The only to have a sane respectful relationship with other faith adherents is through the sécularisation approach.
    Otherwise you're diluting Christianity in the worldwide religion pool by your sufi dervish scholasticism.
    Secularism is what will protect the authenticity and potency of the Christian message, but I understand catholic fears because it will render their organization redundant with dwindling customers even if they're more faithful and spiritual.
    That's why they're reaching to their Muslim counterpart to form an unholy alliance against secularism and plunge the world and Christianity into the dark ages again.

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  31. Jonney Silver Posted on May 31, 2019 at 1:14 pm

    There is no mention of Isaiah's name in the Quran or Hadith, much less what he said, how do you know they revere him?
    Check your facts Bishop, before you try to blend between Christianity and Islam.

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  32. Jonney Silver Posted on May 31, 2019 at 1:17 pm

    Christianity is above reason, reason will get you close enough, but it's miraculous divine superpower that brings you from there.
    Don't try to reason beyond that.

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  33. Alan Jay Posted on May 31, 2019 at 1:29 pm

    It doesn't matter if you want to get along with Islam. Islam's philosophy does not allow them to get along with you. They want anyone not agreeing with them to be physically eliminated or converted.

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  34. Francesca Posted on May 31, 2019 at 1:39 pm

    Murmuring in Ivory towers while the world burns. This echos the words of Chamberlin to Hitler while he opened the banks doors and handed Hitler the Checz gold.

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  35. Boscos_box Posted on May 31, 2019 at 1:41 pm

    The contents of the quran is clear, they will not compromise but subjugate.

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  36. John Morrison Posted on May 31, 2019 at 2:01 pm

    This is a topic that could have served to unite persons of good will right across the spectrum of faith and politics. There are many of all political and religious persuasions who have spoken out on this topic. Instead, knowing the general disinterest of your fellow Americans in reading or in foreign affairs, (low knowledge base) you kind of imply it is only happening to Roman Catholics (false) and only good little conservatives like you care about it (egregiously false). The gratuitous swipe at Pres. Obama might thrill those deep pocket GOP donors and check writers and movers and shakers in your church but it makes you look small and partisan.

    The cognitive dissonance demonstrated by a prelate of the R.C.C. in a jurisdiction in which most of your flock under 40 is Hispanic/Latino, and where they do vote probably voted for Mrs. Clinton and Pres. Obama before that, is stunning. No wonder you're assigned to the Santa Barbara northern region.

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  37. Miserere mei, Deus Posted on May 31, 2019 at 2:04 pm

    We've had Crusades for less.

    When do we get to say "Deus vult saracen"?

    Islam needs to be removed from the face of the planet, preferably through conversion.

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  38. Stephen Merritt Posted on May 31, 2019 at 2:05 pm

    "They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshipped and served created things rather than the creator…". Romans 1:25.

    This verse is a summary of the world we live in. Humanity is looking for love and hope and peace but are not looking upward for solutions. The truth about God, who we really are as human beings and what our purpose is on earth in general cannot be found once the knowledge of God is forgotten or suppressed.

    Islamic and secular forces work to suppress the knowledge of God's true nature. By doing so humanity becomes enslaved to the forces of this world.

    Humans are created by God in His image. We are not simply mere mortals. We are created in God's image and " blessed" regardless of gender, race, or physical limitations. God has a purpose for all humans. The problem is that this way of thinking undermines every authority on earth who mean to enslave us. That's why Christians are persecuted.

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  39. Marian Tarcea Posted on May 31, 2019 at 3:51 pm

    https://youtu.be/v67Xh9iU8Wc

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  40. Randall Van Oosten Posted on May 31, 2019 at 4:16 pm

    Dear Bishop Barron, I hope you are beginning to see that the hard left has gradually but inexorably taken over the progressive movement. They have shown that they are not interested in appealing to the Logos (reason or rational) tradition. And, yes, an extremely volunteeristic view of Islam has also arisen. It is in their irrationality that Islam and the secular left find common ground against Christianity. My point is that these are anti-Logos movements. Thomas Aquinas knew also that justice dictates that a nation and people must rightly defend itself against those who will not cease from their aggression and cannot be appealed to by reasonable means.

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  41. Ayla Stewart Wife With A Purpose Posted on May 31, 2019 at 4:25 pm

    Islam is dramatic in their attack style but it was Jewish led Bolsheviks that killed, by far, the most Christians in the 20th century, particularly in the Holodomor genocide and while Islam must be addressed and delt with, it is only a small fraction of the real threat. It is that Communistic Bolshevik philosophy that still drives our Western culture especially in our academic systems, to persecute and discriminate against Christians in the West and is what is responsible for the overwhelming atheism that has paralyzed the West an left Christians weak and defenseless.

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  42. Curtis Jones Posted on May 31, 2019 at 6:44 pm

    OH PULLEESE. CATHOLICS ARE NOT CHRISTIANS. NO MAN CAN FORGIVE SINS. NO MAN CAN TELL YOU THAT YOU ARE BORN AGAIN. MARY CAN DO NOTHING. JESUS IS ALL YOU NEED.

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  43. Paolo Blake Posted on May 31, 2019 at 7:44 pm

    Hi Father. I'm greatly pleased that you came back to the old fashion style videos. It's always a pleasure to listen to your very knowledgeable and analytical point of view. Having said that, I feel the need to disagree to the idea of finding a common ground where Jesus Can be shared by different religious system. As you've said once, this would be like trying to make Jesus likeable and more like pg version for a very sensitive audience. Jesus is unsettling and is meant by his very nature to cause disappointment and opposition :" I didn not come To bring peace. NO, I came to bring the sword". The message is plain and clear :He is God and we worship Him as such. We don't have to buy the approval of anybody, we're not meant to be politically correct but truth seekers. Of course we need to. Preach with love and compassion, but nevertheless we ought not to try to strip off Jesus of his puzzling, uncomfortable uniqueness.

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  44. Robin Hood Posted on May 31, 2019 at 9:20 pm

    You do know Muslims are not interested in finding a common ground. Muslims are taught we are worshipping a false God and deserve death… Islam wants to rule not co operate

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  45. blatttman Posted on May 31, 2019 at 9:47 pm

    "Come let us reason together". This is becoming ever more difficult in the west where we see increasing polarisation and intolerance. In the UK over Brexit, USA over Trump, France yellow vests etc. Politics and democracy are showing signs of extreme strain and where it will end…….God only knows.
    But as for religious violence are governments not only look away but are they complicit?
    Saudi Arabia our chief ally(and source of oil and arms sales), is probably the least tolerant when it comes to religious freedom. Wearing a cross will get you arrested and any form of Christian assembly or worship forbidden. Their "fundamental" form of Islam, Wahhabism, well known for its sectarian in toleration of other forms of Islam and any other religions has arguably been the root of much, if not the vast majority of Islamic Jihad and religious violence in the recent past and present. Much of the conflict in the middle East stems from this religious divide in Islam between Sunni(Saudi Arabia) and Shia(Iran). Much as violence in Christian Europe of the 16th century and beyond stemmed from the divide between Catholic and Protestant.
    Where does this get us today?
    I don't know, but the siding with Saudi Arabian foreign interests, disguised as humanitarian intervention, as well as financial and military cooperation and the using of sectarian proxy military forces to further some geopolitical, (see Syria), game, leaves a very bad taste in the mouth for this Catholic.
    Christians can always find common cause with "people of goodwill", and as St Thomas More stated better than I ever could he, "Bear no malice nor ill-will to any man living", these are very dangerous times when the media seem incapable of holding the executive to account.
    Much of what is now "news" is partial with crucial omissions or blatant bias, little if any attempt at impartiality, often little more than state propaganda. The reporting of the war in Syria has been shameful and horrendous.
    Forgive my rant and I know not the author or origin of the following statement, but no matter, I feel it is more relevant to "people of goodwill", which hopefully includes Catholics than ever ;
    "In an age of Universal deceit telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act".

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  46. Carl Edward Vincent Posted on May 31, 2019 at 10:03 pm

    Oh please stop dialoguing with hell… convert them already! We do them no good service by "dialoguing" with the high-brows, when on the field they're killing Christians. Our sign is the cross, not silk zuchettos (solideo) and costly episcopal crosses on gold chains. Our model is the lamb of God, who gave himself for the salvation of humankind, drenched in blood, disrobed, abandoned and insulted. Away with the respect of the world, and back to the Cross -there lies our crown!

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  47. Lonesome Lenny Posted on May 31, 2019 at 11:47 pm

    What has anything in the 13th century have to do with the 21st century.

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  48. JoeL landry Posted on June 1, 2019 at 1:43 am

    Awesome video! We need more videos defending Catholic truths and comparison of them to the ideologies of the world by our church leaders. Every Catholic should read an honest translation of the quran so they may learn what lies Islam really teaches, I suggest the translation by Usama Dakdok.

    God bless!

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  49. Elijah Jacob Posted on June 1, 2019 at 2:19 am

    Orthodox persevered over the Communists in the 20th century and has survived Islam for almost 14 centuries. Orthodox and Catholics will always be persecuted because the World doesn’t like the truth

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  50. Tess P Posted on June 1, 2019 at 3:18 am

    Thank you bishop Baron for speaking about persecuted Christians.

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  51. NOBODY NOWHERE Posted on June 1, 2019 at 4:02 am

    Actually the XX Century was the worst for Jews then, you know, 6 million of them systematically killed by, well, Christians. The worst persecution of Jews since the Alhambra Decree of 1492. Be careful when you try to play the victim, Mr. Barron: your church has a lot for which to apologize.

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  52. 김옥희 Posted on June 1, 2019 at 4:30 am

    What the honorable Bishop has forgotten are the millions of Chrisitan martyrs his own church imprisoned, tortured and murdered in the cruelest possible manner, for disagreeing with erroneous papal doctrine. That beats both the early Christian era and the 20th century era, combined.

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  53. Lightsoutlightson1 Posted on June 1, 2019 at 7:39 am

    Nice. I think religious extremists are another "canary in a coal mine" that confirms the current setting of the Doomsday Clock at two minutes to MN. But the Bishop's argument that logic and reason are the keys to finding common ground is important. Why?

    From my examination of systems that accumulate tension, you can teach 50 good things and see no change. However, if the people in the system actually do a small number or even "one good thing", you often see rapid improvement. So one of the two keys to surviving the nuclear age is for groups who influence large numbers of people like religions to find common ground on "one good thing" to spread in their spheres of influence. You don't need to agree on any beliefs to pray for peace at the same time etc. Then the good drowns out the bad and we would have a good shot at surviving the nuclear age.

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  54. anthtan Posted on June 1, 2019 at 7:41 am

    Bishop Barron: "In fact, Thomas Aquinas's metaphysics and theology is unthinkable apart from these Islamic sources."

    Wow. I didn't know that. Perhaps a follow up video or something, would be good.

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  55. Mike Mac Posted on June 1, 2019 at 8:42 am

    Good luck reasoning with fundamentalist Islam. Ain’t gonna happen. Has it so far?

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  56. Webster Lee Posted on June 1, 2019 at 9:41 am

    With all due respect Eminence, the lamb cannot reason with the wolf. Protection lies with the Shepherds alone.

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  57. Gerri Posted on June 1, 2019 at 1:58 pm

    David Wood, who can be found on YouTube, has very interesting insights into Islam. He is very knowledgeable about the Quran and uses reason and logic to help Muslims who have many unanswered questions.

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  58. burkardhanis Posted on June 1, 2019 at 2:30 pm

    the problem your Grace is you presume the islam of St Thomas A's day was the norm, is was not. The islam of Iran and Saudi Arabia is the norm and they don't do rationale conversation.

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  59. Raymond long Posted on June 1, 2019 at 4:05 pm

    Jesus I have not come to bring peace but a SWORD

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  60. Tic toc Motherfvcker Posted on June 1, 2019 at 4:15 pm

    Mind you Islamic politics prosecuted Averroes for his works. Hes not of Islam. He is a free thinker.

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  61. therealDale Posted on June 1, 2019 at 4:19 pm

    It never really stopped.

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  62. Tic toc Motherfvcker Posted on June 1, 2019 at 4:22 pm

    Now they got Zakir Naik and Ahmed Deedat explains the Bible to deny Christianity. You should see how lousy they reason. Its not even reason. Mumbo jumbo

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  63. Debra Leslie Posted on June 1, 2019 at 5:33 pm

    It is my experience that catholics attack vulnerable catholics new to faith and take advantage of me in my

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  64. Bruce Booher Posted on June 1, 2019 at 5:47 pm

    As with the attack on confession in California, I beg Christians to realize the left is our enemy. Stand up against the "progressive" lies.

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  65. Joel Gaddis Posted on June 1, 2019 at 6:24 pm

    One Muslim agrees with your assessment. Only classical Islam can accommodate peaceful and rational discourse with Christianity. Catholics are probably uniquely aware of how bloody fundamentalism and “Reformation” can be. “Is there anything new under the sun?”

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  66. joseph jackson Posted on June 1, 2019 at 6:51 pm

    Easter worshipper seems to imply that you worship Easter…. 😑
    Just like how Sun worshippers imply that they worship the sun

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  67. Peter Jarke Posted on June 1, 2019 at 7:25 pm

    Reason? I'll believe it's possible when I see it. Good luck.

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  68. Thomas Klozo Posted on June 1, 2019 at 7:33 pm

    I have a quick question about confession: Earlier, I was in confession with a priest, and was giving off a list of sins. I remembered a sin I forgot to confess when I'm pretty sure the priest started talking. My question is, does this technically count as withholding a sin, even though I remembered at the last minute? Should I have slipped in the sin while the priest was talking, or was it past the point of no return? Also, if it was withholding a confession, does that mean that my entire confession was basically worthless because I forgot a sin (which, I guess is important, a mortal sin), or is it I just need to go to confession next time and confess it?

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  69. Theo Jen Posted on June 2, 2019 at 1:34 am

    READ the Quran, you will understand why Islam is ABSOLUTELY incompatible with western Judeo-Christian civilization. Read particularly the Friday Prayer (Surah 62) and Surah 9.

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  70. RJ Sea Posted on June 2, 2019 at 2:23 am

    Pray for teen Leah in Nigeria, who loves Jesus and refuses to betray him.

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  71. Kimberly Ivanov Posted on June 2, 2019 at 3:15 am

    Same kind of comparison with Logos and Islam can be used to explain some of my experiences trying to make sense of fundamental protestant culture. Just saying..from South Carolina.

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  72. Emtedee Posted on June 2, 2019 at 4:53 am

    At a recent service in a local mosque to pray for the victims of the massacre in Colombo, Sri Lanka, a variety of local faith leaders spoke after the mid day prayers of the Muslim community. Their common conclusion is that the only way to overcome terrorist outrages of any and every kind is for people of faith (any and every faith) to come together in love because terrorism is founded on hate and love is the only antidote. Lets ignore our differences and share what we can in love

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  73. housedog101 Posted on June 2, 2019 at 7:21 am

    Quran 98:6 says it all and puts the Bishop, Christians Hindus, and Jews in their place. 98:6. "Those who disbelieve among the People of the Scripture, and the Polytheists, will be in the Fire of Hell, where they will abide forever. These are the worst of creatures."Yep, bishop, you are the worst of creatures as a person of the Scripture.. Allah and Muhammad said so. It can't be reversed. It's Quran. 80% of Christian lands have been lost to Islam by the sword not conversion…it's not going to stop, The new jihadi is the Muslim immigrant. Europe is lost to Christianity. It's just a matter of time. BTW,, remember why there are walls around the Vatican-a Muslim army of 11,000 burned and sacked Rome and the Vatican in 846AD..then pope built his wall to keep them out.

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  74. Catholic Beard Reviews Posted on June 2, 2019 at 10:01 am

    Being catholic is awesome

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  75. Chesire Cat Posted on June 2, 2019 at 10:10 am

    Bishop Barron has been spending perhaps a bit too much time around right wingers. There was absolutely nothing wrong with Obama, and HRC (both of whom are themselves Christians) referring to the victims of the Sri Lankan bombings as “Easter worshippers.” By doing so, they stressed the fact that these Christians were brutally murdered while engaged in worship on the holiest day in the Christian calendar. To somehow see this accentuation of the peaceful piety of the victims with the ravening of their murderers as some sort of culture war anti-Christian conspiracy to avoid drawing attention to the fact that the victims were “Christian” (while still using the word “Easter”) is beyond tenuous. It smacks of the victimhood cosplay insatiably indulged by Westerners.

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  76. Lucas Davenport Posted on June 2, 2019 at 2:27 pm

    Islam is the aggressor, as per usual.

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  77. Dermot Oneill Posted on June 2, 2019 at 9:19 pm

    You never say anything simple, are you suggesting Muslims read Aquinas?
    What about a simple truth " Do on to others as you would have done to yourself"
    Dosent require reading, doctrine, Latin, clever word play or history, just needs doing!

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  78. Roger Posted on June 2, 2019 at 10:37 pm

    Hey Bob. It's been a while. I've been putting in extra time at the clinic each week ( as always ) , rendering free medical care for those who can't afford it, and I see you are still … a "Charlatan". Question: It's been brought to my attention that there is no evidence of Jesus Christ in the REAL history books, save a paragraph "forged" into the historical writings of Flavius Josephus . More importantly, there is ABSOLUTELY , POSITIVELY no mention of the many "miracles" this invisible magician was supposed to have performed. .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwUZOZN-9dc&t=334s

    When I speak of real historical evidence, we should all agree that the cherry picked Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John ( did I get that right?) do not reflect real history, You, as well read as you seem to be, must agree, there is significant conflict between the stories found in these fairy tales…………SO,,,, What does this have to do with the persecution of the Christians? Nothing. i just wanted to jerk your chain a bit in front of your Flock. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5AordEPtok

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwUZOZN-9dc&t=334s

    On the subject of "persecution”; how dare you condemn any of actions of "Hitler Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and many of their lesser-known totalitarian colleagues" when your cult has done the same thing throughout history!

    Have you forgotten The Rwandan genocide? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/21/rwanda-genocide-catholic-church-sorry-for-role-of-priests-and-nuns-in-killings

    The Serbian Genocide? http://orthochristian.com/114594.html

    The 500 years of inquisitions? http://churchandstate.org.uk/2016/12/holy-horrors-the-inquisition/

    Selective memory loss, Bob?

    I do believe that you are familiar with RATLINES, yes? That Hitler fellow you mentioned, well many of his Nazi buddies were given an escape plan by your boss, the pope, is that correct? http://holocaustonline.org/vatican-ratlines/

    So, I will give you a pass, if you honestly had no idea regarding any of the above, before you put you this “pity us poor Catholics “ piece of garbage together. However, I know you for a few years now, and we've discussed these things before, haven't we?

    Shame on you Charlatan, Shame, Shame , Shame…..

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  79. Kitty Watson Posted on June 3, 2019 at 3:49 am

    Bishop Baron…The worst persecution is going on unseen. Multiple faithful Catholics and their Bishops in China..who were GIVEN AWAY! OREMUS!

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  80. Jimmy Leo Richardson, III Posted on June 3, 2019 at 7:07 am

    Does anyone else worship on Easter?

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  81. Baron Posted on June 3, 2019 at 12:04 pm

    Jesus christ is my nigga

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  82. Steve Kucerka Posted on June 3, 2019 at 1:24 pm

    why can’t you say that Catholics were attacked.. All Catholics are Christians but not all Christians are Catholics, and those attacked were Catholics. Also don’t forget Matthew 5:11-12.

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  83. Bobby Boucher Posted on June 3, 2019 at 1:40 pm

    there's nothing reasonable about Islam

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  84. G Reeder Posted on June 3, 2019 at 5:19 pm

    You should check out the New York Times podcast on the Caliphate.

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  85. Jennifer Cuddy Posted on June 4, 2019 at 12:00 pm

    Really? You mean the persecution of Christ believers by this sham Vatican? Counterfeit Christians snakes in the sand! —> https://www.sbs.com.au/news/godself-catholic-schools-adopt-gender-neutral-terms

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  86. keymaker2112 Posted on June 5, 2019 at 2:19 am

    Many references to Logos as of late, it seems the term is re-entering the common vernacular in some ways, which is only a blessing.

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  87. Oscar Gilroy Posted on June 5, 2019 at 8:54 am

    I want to thank you and praise you for your frankness here. To be honest I was avoiding hearing your thoughts on it because I was worried you would tend towards a too conciliar tone at the expense of clarity and truth. Thank you for proving me wrong, Eminence.

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  88. Hosoi Archives Posted on June 6, 2019 at 1:19 am

    I'm more concerned with Catholics raping children

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  89. Behold The Truth Posted on June 6, 2019 at 2:03 am

    Thank you for covering this topic.

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  90. don pierce Posted on June 7, 2019 at 12:09 am

    father, i think you may need to educate yourself on the millions of muslims slaughtered by so called "christians" in the arab world and the as yet to be determined, but must be millions of catholics, killed by the us gov't in latin america since 1970 or so.
    i really enjoy your shows and i believe you are true in spirit, but you may be out of your depth in this regard.

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  91. Jonathan Thomas Posted on June 8, 2019 at 1:47 am

    I missed this monologue/teaching style Bishop Barron.

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  92. Ali Hammad Shah Posted on June 9, 2019 at 8:12 am

    How many million Muslims have been killed by savages who call themselves Christians in just the last decade? This dude probably has tunnel vision and wants to see what he wants to see.

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  93. Fishin dudas Posted on June 10, 2019 at 2:12 am

    This is why we voted Trump

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  94. Johnpyrkhat Lyngkhoi Posted on June 23, 2019 at 8:46 am

    You are totally be open in whatever you feel and see the things that are happening around us.

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  95. Eric Schick Posted on June 27, 2019 at 9:10 am

    It’s a sad state of affairs when it is controversial and perhaps even dangerous for people to address this topic directly. Muslims who were motivated by their religion (as they see it) mass murdered Catholics while they were worshipping.

    I wonder how long it took the leftists to come up with “Easter Worshippers”. Did Hilary have a focus group or something?

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  96. Diana Wildheart Posted on July 1, 2019 at 7:22 am

    There are over 100 verses in the quaran commanding muslims to kill disbelievers of Allah. If a Muslim Marty’s themselves for Allah he is rewarded with 72 virgins in heaven. In Christianity it is a mortal sin to kill (10 commandments) and you are condemned to Hell. 2 opposing beliefs on killing other humans. How can there ever be peace amongst Muslims and all other religions who believe it’s a sin to kill??? One religion they are rewarded for murder and the others you are punished??

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  97. bluegold21 Posted on July 8, 2019 at 12:21 pm

    This post is full of suggestive rot and lies. First of all, Hitler was a Christian and thus did not persecute Christians(unless of course, they were a spy or some other tricky proxy of war).In fact, he persecuted/murdered only those who did not follow Christian doctrine. Stalin wanted Christianity as well as all other religions to be "kept in the church" and through their property was at times confiscated it was not a murderous rampage as this wannabe victim suggests. And it was not focussed on Christianity. So the Bishop exaggerates the balance in his favour. Mao and Pol Pot who basically fought at the same time, a bit like Goering and Himmler, were cruel, vile people but should not be compared with other atheists just because they were atheists. And again they persecuted all religions. In fact, this post is clearly an attack on atheism. Suggesting it is somehow persecuting religion when it is the other way around. Christians, especially born again ministers, fervently disrupt the lives of people who do not believe in what they believe in. And Mao was right about religions taking money from people for nothing but the offer of an afterlife. That is a scam and in America and steadily across the globe has become a trillion dollar culture/industry. And within that culture dis-information is constantly spread about the causes of anthropogenic global warming. But of course they don't say it's man-made and they have been performing this vile action for as long as there has been religion but more recently its use to disarm the message science has been trying to get to the public has dramatically risen. Without coincidence, the rise has been since big oil realised CO2 would become a problem if not cut back in the '80s. And of course lets not forget the pope's ignorance of the Jewish death camps,the crusades,the witch burnings,the Spanish Inquisition,the interference of Chinese one-child policy which led to a capitalist market China due to a need to import more goods for what had now become a growing population even though the world was beginning to tip over with humans, using a book full of violence and "righteous persecution" which priests always cherry pick for only stories that show their beliefs in a better light than what the majority of the book does. But then again it is full of lies and exaggerations. And that is what Christians swear upon in court. This list can go on and on for what I have said is just off the top of my head. Not to mention the persecution and swindling and backstabbing and twisted Masonic actions I have personally witnessed performed by Christians behind doors and arrogantly in public forums.
    And then, of course, there are the other religions who like Christianity oppress and rape and murder all in the name of their god. And this fucking arsehole priest says that Christians are the most persecuted. You can't even call an Easter worshipper an Easter worshipper without being described as oppressive. What a whiny bitch. You can easily mistake him for a snowflake but that isn't exactly right. He wants to create disharmony at arm's length through the menial use of language. That is fascist methodology. There are so many cruel doctrines aimed at people who do not share their beliefs it's amazing we aren't all already living in Gilead. Although we aren't far from it. And the constant claim of religious intolerance never clarified by the fact that it is always one religion attacking another. This is suggestive behaviour. It leaves the religious listener with the sadistically hopeful impression that its atheists who are the intolerant and not others like them who believe in a god. That would be embarrassing. All he says couldn't be further from the truth. You don't see American atheists bombing French atheists. Atheists are happy with the world they have been given and want to keep it safe from persecution and feral cults like evangelists. But that focus upon reality is always targeted by organised religions. It's atheists who are leading the fight against the causes of global warming and again without coincidence, it's the religions who claim god controls the weather so nothing can be done about it without their deities support. Thus they are trapped by their own imagination and anything that suggests that that view is wrong is seen as disagreement with their personal philosophies. You add in the scaremongering rhetoric of a dickhead Bishop claiming that there is a war on Christianity and the difference of opinion is suddenly and wrongly turned into an assault on one's beliefs. Just because an atheist thinks religion is wrong isn't an instant assault. It's an opinion. An opinion this theological nutjob doesn't want you to possess. That is authoritarian. And when you look at who in society does the same tricks are the very people who are causing global warming to get worse. Oil companies scaremongering with the mantra jobs will be lost if we stop using fossil fuels and that anyone trying to do that is attacking those people. It's a rallying cry against a non-existent threat. Because the threat is what they are doing to stop the transition to renewables. But again they are trapped by the indoctrinated fantasy that what they do is right. The reality is that the world will become uninhabitable if we don't stop using them. But they only care about their church of black gold.
    Please don't listen to this pitiful self-interested cultist. He just wants to create tension to cause a fight at arm's length so he can go back to his congregation and claim his masochistic predictions of Armageddon are true. It's all a scam and a complete distraction from the truth thus holding back progress. Sickeningly ignorant. Nothing short of F'ing evil.

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  98. David21 D Posted on August 8, 2019 at 6:28 am

    Is it really possible to reason with Islam?

    Any God outside of the Judeo-Christian tradition is a false god.

    Any one or any religion that denies the Father and the Son is an anti Christ.

    The anti Christ denies that Christ died on the cross, resurrected and will return to judge the living and the dead.

    The anti Christ denies the divinity of our Lord.

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  99. TheLongSummer Posted on August 18, 2019 at 10:17 pm

    This is rather rich coming from an ardent protagonist for the sexual abuse of children, even going to great lengths to prevent the victims from getting financial compensation from the deranged perverted clergy he is an ingrained part of. He is even preying on gullible Roman Catholics in a deeply cynical money scheme to protect his deranged and perverted friends within the Roman Catholic clergy from due harm. In practice there is no difference between the archperverts Pell, Wuerl and McCarrick and their ardent defender BB Barron. Remember when you listen to this sick, deranged and perverted Roman Clergymen, that his church has persecuted Christians since its inception in the fourth century, it is the very raison d'être of the RCC, the persecution of Christans. It is high time this YouTube channel advocating for the sexual abuse of children to be taken down, once and for all, masquerading as the victim like the Roman Catholic clergy always do.

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