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Atheism is a Religion - Debunked (Atheists are Religious - Refuted)



atheism is just another religion but you've never heard that one before materialism is the atheistic worldview the big bang and evolution is atheism creation story Harris Hitchens Dawkins and denna are atheism prophets and Darwin is the Atheist Messiah oh and atheists have faith that there isn't a god – but do they really is atheism really a religion in response to the assertion that atheism is a religion many atheists reply with Eva Bill Maher's famous route or the atheism is a religion like abstinence is a sex position or the more classical and potentially less offensive reply that a theism is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby and both of these replies hit back hard often put in an end to the argument then and there no I'm kidding of course the argument doesn't end there ever the conversation may then go in countless directions but if you're conversing with an educated apologist he or she will generally reply with a statement along the lines off non-stop collectors don't go around mocking stamp collectors writing books or creating websites dedicated to non stamp collecting which to be fair isn't a terrible point however as The Skeptical blog post titled atheism is not a religion wonderfully articulates if stamp collectors demanded the people who don't collect stamps obey their stamp collecting rules started wars with groups who collected slightly different types of stamps denied non stamp collectors rights or discriminated against them believe them in school claimed you had to collect stamps to be a suitable person to run for public office try to get stamp collecting tour in schools as signs in opposition to real science demanded that people be killed for printing cartoons that made fun of stamp collectors claimed that non stamp collectors lacked moral judgment and ostracized non stamp collectors simply because they don't collect stamps the non stamp collectors would indeed repudiate such nonsense by creating a movement a voice that has to unite under the name of non stamp collectors because that is the only thing they all share in common what's more is that eventually the non stamp collectors would have to form active organizations to represent them and oppose such oppression in much the same way that atheists have had to form organizations such as the American Atheists and the British Humanist Association which are just that organizations and associations not religions but I am getting way ahead of myself to really assess whether or not atheism is a religion we first need to clearly define what religion is and in doing this emphasize what all religions have in common from there we'll be able to clearly define what atheism is and see if it two possesses these commonalities the problem however is that there are literally thousands of definitions of the word religion many people define it to be a belief in a god or a group of gods which suits theistic religions just fine because that's actually the definition of theism not religion but it fails to incorporate religions that don't believe in a God such as some sects of Buddhism while on the other hand many define religion to be a pursue or interest followed with great devotion which does indeed incorporate a theistic and non theistic religions but it's such a vague definition that it also incorporates organizations enterprises associations charity sports and virtually anything that can be considered to be a hobby or obsess over making a meaningless definition in fact in realization of how difficult religion is to define head DeVries in his collection of essays titled religion beyond the concept ended up settling with the definition being a semantic black hole and if I'm honest I have to concur however there is indeed a definition that incorporates all of the major religions and in doing so reveals the commonalities that they all have the following definition incorporates Christianity Islam Hinduism Buddhism Judaism Sikhism and paganism religion is a set of beliefs concerning the cause nature and purpose of the universe especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies usually involving devotional and ritual observances and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs and as for the commonalities that all of these major religions have and more importantly were organizations enterprises associations charity sports and hobbies do not they all prescribe a supernatural worldview dictate humanity's ultimate role and purpose have a creation story prescribed rules and regulations have sacred texts objects and/or locations have prophets and require faith so now that we have clearly defined what our religion is and more importantly emphasized what commonalities they all share let's now define what atheism is and see if it two shares these commonalities the word atheism is derived from ancient Greek where the prefix a means without and Theus means God hence atheism literally means without God or godless or in other words atheism is a single position held in regard to a single question it's not even an ideology let alone a religion and we prove this in just a second however and this brings us comfortably to the heart of the confusion because there are now many ideologies organizations and associations which include atheism in their name the word atheism can now be used to refer to the ideology of one or many of these specific groups rather than to just the original use of the word but alas and to stay on track the argument is that atheism is a religion not that the many atheistic ideologies organizations and associations are religions and so before we delve further into the many atheistic groups let's first prove that the only commonality that all the theists necessarily share is a lack of belief in deities now I would say let's start with the supernatural world view but atheists aren't characterized as having a supernatural worldview at all rather they're characterized as having a materialistic worldview so don't all atheists have a materialistic worldview the answer is no they don't there are thousands of spiritual groups that don't believe in a god or gods including many sects of Buddhism that believe that phenomenon such as consciousness is the result of non material and often supernatural forces and hence not all atheists Ain worldview okay what about humanity's ultimate role and purpose all atheists believe the humanity's ultimate purpose in life is to reproduce and to survive as a species right but again no to provide just one example the majority of nihilists people who believe that life is meaningless and pointless and would prefer for life to all go extinct are actually atheist hence not all atheists believe in the same purpose of life what about a creation story don't all atheists believe in the Big Bang and evolution nope while most atheists accept the evidence for the Big Bang and evolution many don't for example there are many conspiracy theorists that don't believe in a god or gods but are certain that humanity is the product of super intelligent aliens rather than the product of evolution by natural selection hence not all atheists accept the Big Bang and evolution what about rules and regulations don't all atheists believe in equal rights euthanasia and abortion again no these subjects are heavily debated among atheists for example Matt Dillahunty and Christine crucial misty are both atheist activists who happen to woefully disagree with one another on the subject of abortion okay what about sacred texts objects and/or locations don't all 80s venerate God it's not great nope in fact many atheists dislike God is not great and they dislike the Atheist movement altogether such as norm Tomsky but what about the Atheist prophets all atheists worship Hitchens Harris Dawkins and Dennis don't they well by extension of many atheist dislike in the Atheist movement as a whole the answer is most certainly not furthermore atheist who do appreciate these men including myself don't think of them as prophets but rather as people who are champion a worthy cause if sam harris is a prophet of atheism then Woody Harrelson is a prophet of vegetarianism and finally we come to faith all atheists have faith that there isn't a god surely but once again no most atheists are agnostic to varying degrees and are simply not convinced at the theism has met its burden of proof if not being convinced a fearsome requires faith then so does not being convinced of the Krakens existence but don't get me started on the definition of faith really don't anyhow as demonstrated atheism really is a single position held in regard to a single question and hence it's not even an ideology let alone a religion but now that we have clarified that atheism isn't a religion the real question can be asked can the many atheistic groups and ideologies such as humanism and secularism be accurately called religions after all the likes of Catholicism and Shia ISM are considered to be ideologies as well as religions so why isn't this also the case for humanism and secularism well just as all Christians are theists but not all theists are Christians the same can be said for ideologies and religions while all religions are ideologies not all ideologies are religions humanism and secularism are ideologies in the same way that vegetarianism and libertarianism are ideologies they are a collection of ideas and values that form the basis of an economic and/or political theory and policy and unlike religions they don't require a belief in the supernatural have a creation story have prophets or require faith the only way one can categorize humanism and secularism as religions is to use a definition of religion that also categorizes other organizations enterprises associations ideologies and hobbies as a religion – hence the many atheistic groups are also not religions so to recap atheism is not a religion because it doesn't prescribe a worldview it doesn't dictate humanity's ultimate role and purpose it doesn't have a creation story it doesn't prescribe rules and regulations it doesn't have sacred texts objects and/or locations it doesn't have prophets and it doesn't require faith as always thank you kindly for the view and as for last week's giveaway the winner is Catherine Mesilla Congrats and I hope I pronounced that correctly please contact me on the back end of my channel and I'll be sure to send you your reward until next time my fellow Apes remember to practice your a theistic religion worship God is not great pray to Darwin and remember to subscribe to your atheist preachers

Jean Kelley

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28 COMMENTS

  1. Miskrediteret Sandhed Posted on June 14, 2019 at 12:38 pm

    Can atheists prove the non-existence of God? No they can’t . Actually you can never prove a non-existent phenomena with a material science. Atheism is therefore not based in science, but in belief.
    – so why not just be an agnostic? Instead of just denying something you simply don’t have the mental capacity to comprehend?

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  2. Jeremynolan815 Nolan Posted on June 14, 2019 at 12:38 pm

    So basically your saying to some atheism is a religion. All praise to the racist prohet darwin may peace be upon him.

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  3. GermanyFan01 Posted on June 14, 2019 at 12:38 pm

    The Stamp Collecting bid was spot on accurate. Non-stamp collectors (Atheists) are the only way they can have some sort of identity. In name only

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  4. GermanyFan01 Posted on June 14, 2019 at 12:38 pm

    The thing about Atheism is that it allows each individual to think differently from the next and doesn’t have code or book to teach you that. Each Atheist thinks independently from the next. Yes, there will be dumbass Atheists that make dumbass arguments and they will do it thinking they are smart. Then there people like me, legitimately smart people, who just accept that we will never know everything (obviously) but we also don’t shame others and go looking for a religious debate (unless curious that specific day, and religious people do it to). I believe it’s just part of Human nature to look for arguments because it helps expand or confirm your beliefs (even though scientifically Religion is more harmful to the brain)

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  5. O. G.O.D Posted on June 14, 2019 at 12:38 pm

    You did exactly what all atheists do, and that is to deny deny deny deny deny deny…and then deny some more.
    Nothing knew here….weren't you excommunicated from ACA?

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  6. Love Yourself Posted on June 14, 2019 at 12:38 pm

    Omg BTS is a RELIGION, I always knew they were gods 😂

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  7. Mali Buda Posted on June 14, 2019 at 12:38 pm

    a particular system of faith and worship = a religion….end of story…Atheism is a religion…no way to avoid it…semantics only make atheist look dumb in their attempts in explaining how Atheism is not a believe system aka a religion…now there are different types of religion..theistic,monotheistic,nontheistic ..so no matter what do we believe…atheism is a religion..

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  8. WillyFlamely Posted on June 14, 2019 at 12:38 pm

    New Atheism is an ideology (under which I fall myself, I am anti-theist), but even this can't be considered a religion.

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  9. Nin Jason Posted on June 14, 2019 at 12:38 pm

    Where is my non-stamp stamp? I want to put in on envelopes!

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  10. Ghy201 Posted on June 14, 2019 at 12:38 pm

    If atheism is a religion, then theism must be a religion too.

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  11. Basista Za Kierownicą Posted on June 14, 2019 at 12:38 pm

    Kraken is actually the name of my cat. Hence, Kraken exists. And he's deeply offended by your lack of conviction he does.

    I can deliver a photo as a proof. Actually, many photos. And a video – although I think he might object to that.

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  12. Dennis Pennington Posted on June 14, 2019 at 12:38 pm

    I have no faith as an atheist. This came about by years of study that proved I also had no faith as a theist.

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  13. PP V KK BS OT Posted on June 14, 2019 at 12:38 pm

    god is not real IMO

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  14. Atharva Dabholkar Posted on June 14, 2019 at 12:38 pm

    0:11 On the origin of species is the atheist's holy book

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  15. Ryder Steel Posted on June 14, 2019 at 12:38 pm

    Atheism is a religion like england is a city.

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  16. Joey Feliciano Posted on June 14, 2019 at 12:38 pm

    It's not a religion but against religion!

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  17. Govinda Brown Posted on June 14, 2019 at 12:38 pm

    Atheism is a religion! Try using academic religious studies as a starting point, Max Weber, Max Müller and not your own subset of unique classifications.

    1. You have faith, all humans have faith, call them trust boundaries, but it's faith.
    2. Even if you don't believe in philosophy, you have one. Even if you don't believe in psychology you have one. Your brain has the same cognitive structure as every other human, therefor you have religious substructures. Humans including Atheists have evolved with a myth center of the brain, you speak in narrative structures, no human is omniscient or can be. Your genetic endowment is the same as every other human. The subsystems in an Atheist brain work the same. Atheists are not post humans.
    3. If I pick a random sub-sample of Atheists I get the same responses, you have a large common set of beliefs like this one: Atheism is not a religion.
    4. Just because you don't have a church or a unified thesis, that just means you are not an organized religion, you have common features in your philosophy.
    5. Having subsets of atheism is 3000 years old, you say some Buddhist are atheists, exactly, .
    6. Evolution doesn't disprove god, even the christian god, it disproves a subset of Christian dogma, but it's bandied about like a smoking gun. Science was founded by Christians (I am not one) on the basis that gods mind is logical therefor his creation is logical and can be understood by logic. So according to that version it all keeps proving the logic of god.
    7. There is no scientific evidence for your beliefs.

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  18. Michael Deo Posted on June 14, 2019 at 12:38 pm

    Incorrect! Atheism comes from Atheos, but it is not a single position in regards to a single question.
    Plato and the early believers, called by some "Christians" both were called Atheos, by the Pagan Greeks for their rejection of the Greek Gods, not a "lack of belief" in God or gods in the sense that it means they don't exist, but a conscious choice base on their beliefs, worldviews.

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  19. Michael Deo Posted on June 14, 2019 at 12:38 pm

    Atheism is Idolatry, so yes, it is false religious worship.

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  20. Peter Arete Posted on June 14, 2019 at 12:38 pm

    defending against the position that Atheism is a religion, makes as much sense as arguing that Religion is an epistemological system.

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  21. Jieff Chief Posted on June 14, 2019 at 12:38 pm

    Pure agnosticism > atheism in terms of logical soundness

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  22. jordan cox Posted on June 14, 2019 at 12:38 pm

    You think apologists like Richard Swinburne, Ed feser etc are idiots? Yikes. You're way too confident about your atheism.

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  23. Penelope Bay Posted on June 14, 2019 at 12:38 pm

    Atheist is not a religion.

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  24. CowardlyKeaboardWarrior Posted on June 14, 2019 at 12:38 pm

    Atheism is a belief set. Atheists are vocal about their belief in nothing. Nothing (after death) is an atheists’ “God”. Science is an atheists’ “bible”.

    So atheism may not be a religion per say but it is an ideology. And atheists can be just as vocal and “evangelical” as religious folks. This YouTube video and these comments are proof of that.

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  25. Albert Bergquist Posted on June 14, 2019 at 12:38 pm

    Isn't it interesting how they say atheism is a religion but refuses to acknowledge Pastafarianism as one …

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  26. -Gemberkoekje- Posted on June 14, 2019 at 12:38 pm

    You and Mr atheist are my favorite atheist youtubers.

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  27. shahsad saadu Posted on June 14, 2019 at 12:38 pm

    Rationality rules you forgot to mention another very big and most dangerous aspect of religion: an unequal power structure beyond any dogmas and teachings,whuch contains a very small part of the group, which dictates every aspects of the follower.

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  28. Steve Ramsey Posted on June 14, 2019 at 12:38 pm

    Two ideas to strengthen your arguments. Concerning sacred texts: Religious sacred texts claim to be the result of divine revelation. Although atheists may not agree on the many texts of atheistic thought that compromise the "canon" (and yes, I'm aware of the irony of using a Catholic term in this context), none of the texts in question claim to be the result of divine revelation, they are merely the thoughts and arguments of their authors put to paper.

    Concerning use of the word "faith": You distinguish the difference between "colloquial faith" and "religious faith". I submit this is the same problem with the many ways the word "belief" can be interpreted. I think a better distinction is between inductive reasoning and either "faith" or "belief". Inductive reasoning is the act of taking what is known, both in terms of mechanism and evidence and extrapolating into either the past or future. Two examples. The idea of the big bang originally came from the observation that the universe was expanding made by Edwin Hubble. A logical conclusion by extrapolation is that if you "rewound" the time scale of the universe, you would at some finite point in the past arrive at an infinitely dense point in space-time. Next example is gravity – if every time I drop an object with mass, it falls because it is attracted to the Earth that has a much greater mass, I can be very confident of the prediction that when I drop an object with mass it will similarly fall. Can I be absolutely confident that such an outcome will be observed? No. But assuming that the mechanism in question has not changed since the last time I conducted such an experiment, I can state with near certainty the outcome. The problem with both religious belief and faith (which I distinguish as the past and future expressions of the same idea) is that they rely on no evidence by definition. They rely either on ignorance or wishful thinking. I.e. "I believe the world was created in 6 days." or "I have faith in an afterlife when I die".

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